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August 26, 2013, 06:57 PM | #1 |
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Is this true about NFA firearms?
It is my understanding that since the NFA Act of 1934 there have been approximately 240,000 privately owned fully automatic functioning firearms legally registered with the federal government, and in the 79 years since then only three (3) have been used to commit crimes. Further research showed that two of those crimes were committed by police officers.
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August 26, 2013, 09:24 PM | #2 |
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I have heard the same thing, but do not have a cite.
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August 27, 2013, 08:32 AM | #3 |
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Since 1934, there appear to have been at least two homicides committed with legally owned automatic weapons. One was a murder committed by a law enforcement officer (as opposed to a civilian). On September 15th, 1988, a 13-year veteran of the Dayton, Ohio police department, Patrolman Roger Waller, then 32, used his fully automatic MAC-11 .380 caliber submachine gun to kill a police informant, 52-year-old Lawrence Hileman. Patrolman Waller pleaded guilty in 1990, and he and an accomplice were sentenced to 18 years in prison. The 1986 'ban' on sales of new machine guns does not apply to purchases by law enforcement or government agencies. That's the best I can find. I just find various amounts of the quote above around the internet. Roger Waller appears to be the only named defendant/perpetrator listed anywhere.
ETA Here is a story both detailing the crime, and reporting his parole hearing is/was due. |
August 27, 2013, 09:43 AM | #4 |
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Well I guess this might need to be updated a bit. Last I heard Dorner used NFA items during his shootout.
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August 27, 2013, 11:04 AM | #6 |
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I doubt the exemption for new purchases applies to private purchases of law enforcement officers, nor would they get to keep them after retirement, let alone being fired for cause.
According to this: commercial website California state NFA laws allow SBR's and SBS's. but it makes no mention of fully automatic firearms. According to Wikipedia, again with a grain of salt, as the search isn't bringing up California law with enough ease to get there for me, Califonia appears to ban Title II weaponry. |
August 27, 2013, 11:55 AM | #7 |
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Those sources vary drastically on the Waller case.
I think the claim is Dorner used an SBR and suppressor, not a machinegun. With all the inexplicable oddities of the Dorner case and blatant aggressiveness used in his pursuit, combined with LAPDs reputation, I doubt any rational person will ever be confident in any of the claims or evidence. |
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Given the press silence on this particular detail, I feel it's safe to presume, as csmsss stated, that his FA firearms were non-transferable and misappropriated. Feel free to correct me, really, I'm curious. Quote:
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August 27, 2013, 12:21 PM | #9 |
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If one can get a 'machinegun permit', California does allow fully automatic weapons to non-LEO.
Practically, one needs to be a prop-supplier to the movie industry or otherwise 'connected' to get such a permit.
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August 27, 2013, 04:00 PM | #11 |
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The NV shop that sold Dorner the SBR and suppressor verified that he did purchase those through them in a thread on Lightfighter. However, while those are NFA items, they are not machineguns, which is what I believe the OP was asking about.
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August 27, 2013, 05:30 PM | #13 |
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Right. That's the point I was making.
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