Seating a bullet more shallowly in a Spl case. - Page 2

F. Guffey · February 3, 2016, 11:24 AM

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What???
What is bad about it? I have been doing it for over 30 years and so far it hasn't caused a problem and that's 95% lead.

Ozzlman it is OK, you are a moral free agent with a philosophy. A philosophy is nothing more than what you think. I believe it is a bad habit. I had old 22 rifles that had been used with 22 shorts, longs and long rifle ammo. It got to the point is was difficult to eject long rifle cases because too many 22 shorts had been fired it the rifle. Then there are wildcat chambers. When forming cases for wildcats I have had many of the cases shorten .045” from forming to firing.

I choose to cover the chamber with the case. I have one wildcat chamber that has a case neck length of .217”. There are reloaders that believe the 300 Winchester Magnums neck is short because it is .270” +/- a few long. T solve the problem by find long cases for forming, long cases increase my need for all the bullet hold I can get and the long case covers the chamber.

Again, it is your choice, I choose not to because I believe it is a bad habit. It is never my intentions to drive someone to the curb or simply lock them up.

F. Guffey

Ozzieman · February 3, 2016, 07:41 PM

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A philosophy is nothing more than what you think

And yours is a tested fact?
You might want to show us your massive data base that proves your philosophy.

F. Guffey · February 4, 2016, 10:41 AM

Ozzieman, I said it was OK, you can shoot long cases, you can use short cases, and it was not my intention to drive you to the curb. It was not my intension to provoke you; again, if you want to use short, medium or long length cases it is OK with me. I believe it is a bad habit.

Like Dave said:

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I load specials in special cases. I understand your situation.
Do as you wish.

David

F. Guffey

RC20 · February 4, 2016, 06:25 PM

James:

Agreed on the Guffey remarks.

I think he has a lot to offer but has no skills in presenting it in a readable fashion.

Bart B and Unclick seem to be able to see through the obscurity, the rest of us scratch their heads

Ozzieman · February 4, 2016, 07:22 PM

You did not drive me to a "wall" or provoke me, but when your opinion differs with most of the world you should not try word it as fact. You are entitled to your opinion but an opinion is all it is.
Since people have been shooing 9mm, 38's, 357's in the same gun with two different cylinders (one for 9) and 45 acp in 45 colt and 44 specials in 44 magnums for well over 50 years and I have never heard of an issue that caused an injury your opinion is simply wrong.
But that is my opinion which is worth as much and no less than yours.
I am sorry I drove you to the point that you felt you needed to make negative comments about me to get your point across.
Its ok, that doesn't effect me in any way, but I feel it's a bad habit.

F. Guffey · February 5, 2016, 02:24 PM

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the rest of us scratch their heads

How do you do that?

F. Guffey

Snyper · February 5, 2016, 09:09 PM

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How do you do that?

With the off hand, of course, keeping the strong hand free in case of emergencies.

Sevens · February 5, 2016, 10:13 PM

Pond, I would love to send you a bag of .44 Mag brass because you are good people and I can spare the brass. I do fear it would end up being an international incident and I'm sure neither of us care to be on the evening news.

FWIW, I think your idea is sound. I have never done it with .44 Special but I do it often with full-spec, thunder & glory 158gr .357 Magnum in .38 Special brass. I have four boxes on hand right now, I do it specifically to feed my Coonan which throws/loses brass. Not only does it work 100% of the time... but it has only one chamber and not six and I also shoot .38-level .38 Special through it (thousands) and my chamber (one, not six!) still happily digests .357 Mag brass also.

My .357 Mag loads in .38 Special brass? Fat black sharpie line sold boldly emblazoned on the case head that you'd have to be blind to miss it. Helen Keller could FEEL the stripe of black ink.

In closing, ammo does not ever "find it's way" in to firearms, even cheap modern ones. That first picture in this thread was nobody's accident, it was true negligence. Charter should sue to remove the image from existence.

Pond, James Pond · February 6, 2016, 03:40 AM

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Pond, I would love to send you a bag of .44 Mag brass because you are good people and I can spare the brass. I do fear it would end up being an international incident and I'm sure neither of us care to be on the evening news.

Thanks for the thought but I can see it now - "NEWS-FLASH: 3 weeks after the Estonian Mag-gate incident, NATO disbands"

Mike / Tx · February 6, 2016, 06:41 AM

Were I in your situation I would have no issues working around it.

The 44 was a concept long before it was reality using 44 Spl cases and those were a WHOLE lot different than the ones used now. Not only that but they were being pushed far beyond what your contemplating.

Now if you were asking about putting together some nuclear type loads like what one might purchase from one of the custom manufacturers then I would toss out a complete and total H#$% NO you don't do that.

However your looking to produce mid to lower level ammunition, to be used in a modern manufactured revolver, and you do not have nor know of anyone else withing your given area who could use the remaining loaded 44 SPL rounds in their firearm. That being the case, I would go for it, but I would also plainly mark the cases so that they are very easily distinguished from anything loaded in the magnum case.

Like the other fellow, I would happily send you fresh new Starline cases if I thought there was a remote chance of them getting there and either of us not getting into an issue over it.

Good luck and proceed with caution.

F. Guffey · February 6, 2016, 10:41 AM

I have sent cases and reloading equipment to shooters and reloaders in other countries with the understanding they had to ask if it was OK. Then there is that part about asking when we ship. I have been turned down once because the postal service said the items being shipped were on a list of stuff that could not be shipped.

Then there is the price of shipping.

F. Guffey

5whiskey · February 8, 2016, 11:28 PM

Holy Cow at the discourse over this....

I've thought about doing this with 357/38. The conclusion I came to was that I can get hold of 357 brass easy enough and there is no need. Besides... shooting a six-gun helps save all of my brass and I load mid-level rounds so I can get 8 or 10 firings from one case before I start to have issues (I've started culling at 8 and I keep up with lots after I noticed carbon on the base around the primer pocket in a couple of rounds). So... I've contemplated it because I had a ton of .38 brass but I've since realized that once-fired 357 is cheap enough and easy to come by.

44 mag/spl is another animal. If I had a hard enough time finding brass for 44 mag, but had a ton of 44 spl, I would probably do exactly what you're talking about. I would not approach 44mag max loads, but would feel safe with mid-loads so long as they were marked and no one could accidentally load them in a 44spl.

February 4, 2016, 07:22 PM	#30
Ozzieman Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 6,117	You did not drive me to a "wall" or provoke me, but when your opinion differs with most of the world you should not try word it as fact. You are entitled to your opinion but an opinion is all it is. Since people have been shooing 9mm, 38's, 357's in the same gun with two different cylinders (one for 9) and 45 acp in 45 colt and 44 specials in 44 magnums for well over 50 years and I have never heard of an issue that caused an injury your opinion is simply wrong. But that is my opinion which is worth as much and no less than yours. I am sorry I drove you to the point that you felt you needed to make negative comments about me to get your point across. Its ok, that doesn't effect me in any way, but I feel it's a bad habit. __________________ It was a sad day when I discovered my universal remote control did not in fact control the universe. Did you hear about the latest study.....5 out of 6 liberals say that Russian Roulette is safe.

February 5, 2016, 10:13 PM	#33
Sevens Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 11,756	Pond, I would love to send you a bag of .44 Mag brass because you are good people and I can spare the brass. I do fear it would end up being an international incident and I'm sure neither of us care to be on the evening news. FWIW, I think your idea is sound. I have never done it with .44 Special but I do it often with full-spec, thunder & glory 158gr .357 Magnum in .38 Special brass. I have four boxes on hand right now, I do it specifically to feed my Coonan which throws/loses brass. Not only does it work 100% of the time... but it has only one chamber and not six and I also shoot .38-level .38 Special through it (thousands) and my chamber (one, not six!) still happily digests .357 Mag brass also. My .357 Mag loads in .38 Special brass? Fat black sharpie line sold boldly emblazoned on the case head that you'd have to be blind to miss it. Helen Keller could FEEL the stripe of black ink. In closing, ammo does not ever "find it's way" in to firearms, even cheap modern ones. That first picture in this thread was nobody's accident, it was true negligence. Charter should sue to remove the image from existence. __________________ *Attention Brass rats and other reloaders:* I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.

February 6, 2016, 06:41 AM	#35
Mike / Tx Senior Member Join Date: April 8, 2000 Posts: 2,101	Were I in your situation I would have no issues working around it. The 44 was a concept long before it was reality using 44 Spl cases and those were a WHOLE lot different than the ones used now. Not only that but they were being pushed far beyond what your contemplating. Now if you were asking about putting together some nuclear type loads like what one might purchase from one of the custom manufacturers then I would toss out a complete and total H#$% NO you don't do that. However your looking to produce mid to lower level ammunition, to be used in a modern manufactured revolver, and you do not have nor know of anyone else withing your given area who could use the remaining loaded 44 SPL rounds in their firearm. That being the case, I would go for it, but I would also plainly mark the cases so that they are very easily distinguished from anything loaded in the magnum case. Like the other fellow, I would happily send you fresh new Starline cases if I thought there was a remote chance of them getting there and either of us not getting into an issue over it. Good luck and proceed with caution. __________________ LAter, Mike / TX

February 4, 2016, 06:25 PM	#29
RC20 Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 7,014	James: Agreed on the Guffey remarks. I think he has a lot to offer but has no skills in presenting it in a readable fashion. Bart B and Unclick seem to be able to see through the obscurity, the rest of us scratch their heads

February 6, 2016, 10:41 AM	#36
F. Guffey Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2008 Posts: 7,249	I have sent cases and reloading equipment to shooters and reloaders in other countries with the understanding they had to ask if it was OK. Then there is that part about asking when we ship. I have been turned down once because the postal service said the items being shipped were on a list of stuff that could not be shipped. Then there is the price of shipping. F. Guffey

February 8, 2016, 11:28 PM	#37
5whiskey Senior Member Join Date: October 23, 2005 Location: US Posts: 3,657	Holy Cow at the discourse over this.... I've thought about doing this with 357/38. The conclusion I came to was that I can get hold of 357 brass easy enough and there is no need. Besides... shooting a six-gun helps save all of my brass and I load mid-level rounds so I can get 8 or 10 firings from one case before I start to have issues (I've started culling at 8 and I keep up with lots after I noticed carbon on the base around the primer pocket in a couple of rounds). So... I've contemplated it because I had a ton of .38 brass but I've since realized that once-fired 357 is cheap enough and easy to come by. 44 mag/spl is another animal. If I had a hard enough time finding brass for 44 mag, but had a ton of 44 spl, I would probably do exactly what you're talking about. I would not approach 44mag max loads, but would feel safe with mid-loads so long as they were marked and no one could accidentally load them in a 44spl.