Pistol grip Only POLL

hogdogs · April 4, 2009, 02:48 PM

This isn't a what is good better or best. It is simply to state if you have previously owned and tried the PGO. If you have, do you still own it and/or use it.
Brent

Dave_Shotgun · April 4, 2009, 03:14 PM

I was planning on getting a PG shotgun but I'm not a very strong guy and only weigh 155 lbs, thus I don't think I would be able to handle the recoil. I'm going to stick with the stock.

Ricky B · April 4, 2009, 03:41 PM

In case anyone wonders how someone could vote "No, I haven't and don't want to try it," I figure that if Dave McC says that it isn't much fun, I can trust him on that.

Creature · April 4, 2009, 03:44 PM

Had one...and hated it.

Lee Lapin · April 4, 2009, 04:08 PM

Used one for a while- a Win 1300 20 gauge pump with a laser and a Speedfeed bird's head style PG. Quit working where I needed the compactness inside vehicles and put the conventional shoulder stock back on the gun. The PG is still in the parts bin somewhere...

lpl

rantingredneck · April 4, 2009, 04:12 PM

Tried the speedfeed birdshead style for 870. Tried the Mossberg 500 factory version. Tried the butler creek folding stock for 870. All have found their way to other homes.

Evan Thomas · April 4, 2009, 04:31 PM

Never tried one, don't need to. Along with a bunch of other things, like, oh, heroin, bungee jumping, eating live frogs...

amd6547 · April 4, 2009, 04:47 PM

Have the speedfeed birdshead grip on my HD Mossberg. No problem handling recoil or hitting what I point at, even at 25yds. My Mossberg has the Hogue overmolded fore-end, which gives me a good grip out front. I use full power 00 buck.
If I want a shotgun with a stock, I have a Remingtom Model 11 riot gun.

rem870hunter · April 4, 2009, 05:31 PM

have tried both pg only and pg with buttstock. have pg w/buttstock on 2 870wingmaster 12 ga. better control when hunting deer. but no pg only on any presently. presently using a speedfeed type 2 on a 12 ga 870 express mag.

SPUSCG · April 4, 2009, 05:50 PM

PGOs are so you can show friends and have them go "whoah PGO" and generally be a mall ninja, I see people with them at the range who give up on shooting once there hand hurts (maybe a full tube)

Tommy Vercetti · April 4, 2009, 05:52 PM

I keep a pistolgrip shotgun handy to "repel boarders"

amd6547 · April 4, 2009, 06:00 PM

The only friend who has seen mine was my shooting buddy, when we both had ours at the range and were shooting slugs at 25yds (and hitting).

Sixer · April 4, 2009, 08:26 PM

I'm not a mall ninja, but I do have a PG on my HD shotgun at the moment. I honestly don't see what all the fuss is about. It reduces the OAL of the gun and IMHO increases your manoeuvre-ability a bit. I kept the original wood forend on mine and added a heat shield and side saddle. I like the way it looks... almost a Mad Max type shotgun

When I start to add lasers and tri-rail forends you are more than welcome to accuse me of "Mall Ninja-ism." Until then I'll stick with my PGP for HD purposes. Besides, it takes all of 2 minutes to switch it back to the original stock if I feel the need.

hogdogs · April 4, 2009, 08:42 PM

Sixer, I will concede that in a 22 inch wide hall way under battle conditions OAL is a factor. But other than that with conscious deliberate motions, both are basically equal. I can also perry and thrust fore and aft with the 18 inch barrel full stock equipped 500...

In close confines you are as apt to confront a BG as in the open and it is still easier to get your gun from you....

Brent

hoytinak · April 4, 2009, 08:52 PM

Had one on the 500....hated it, added a front pistol grip (thought that might help), still hated it, sold both, added a full stock and never looked back.

Csspecs · April 4, 2009, 09:12 PM

Tried it did not like it at all.

To much muzzle climb, less positive feel. Like I can point shoot a pump gun at targets over 100 feet away just fine, but the PGO really messed my pointing just not natural at all.

I play informal airsoft games with pump shotgun based airsoft guns and find that the size is not the problem but rather how you hold it or your tactic. We have PGO as well as full stock and CAR-15 style stocks. I grab the one with the CAR-15 stock a lot, next up would be one with a "speed feedish" stock one with a pistol grip and fixed stock. If I get stuck with a normal style stock I just lay in wait or stick to more open areas and avoid looking for trouble.

I find the pistol grips help you pump the gun when shooting at odd angles or from cover. The collapsing stock helps for tight corners, but even still I normally just put the stock under my arm like I did for years grouse hunting in swamps.

SPUSCG · April 4, 2009, 10:03 PM

I have my regular stock, 20 inch deer barrel, and cloth slip on side saddle that holds 5 shells, and took off rock-hard factory pad and put in a slip on limbsaver. I can room clear with it just fine, shoot it at the range, slugs, buck, it doesn't matter.

Scattergun Bob · April 4, 2009, 10:30 PM

You know my stand

Bob

zippy13 · April 5, 2009, 12:40 AM

Brent, aka hogdogs, started this thread very succinctly identifying the type of stock in question as a "Pistol Gip Only" or "PGO."

I think no one has a problem conjuring up in his mind's eye what a PGO looks like, but that's where the concordance in communication stops. In the first reply Dave Shotgun says,

Quote:

I was planning on getting a PG shotgun but I'm not a very strong guy and only weigh 155 lbs, thus I don't think I would be able to handle the recoil. I'm going to stick with the stock.

And, further on, Tommy Vercetti comments,

Quote:

I keep a pistolgrip shotgun handy to "repel boarders"

I suspect I know what they mean; however, I'm really not sure. Are you?

In the world of plastic stocked Mossberg 500s and Remington 870s the terms "pistol grip" and "pistol grip only" may have become synonymous, but they are not in the realm of sporting and target shotguns. The term "pistol grip" goes way back and was initially used to distinguish grip stocks from classic straight, or English, stocks. The majority of shotguns sold in the US are of the "pistol grip" style. With tactical specific shotguns came the introduction of "detached pistol grip" and "pistol grip only" stocks. To avoid confusion, when using the term "pistol grip" remember to include "detached (or full)" or "only" as applicable, otherwise you're talking about a conventional stock.

Sigma 40 Blaster · April 5, 2009, 12:40 AM

I am not a hardcore shotgunner by any means but I did buy a Mossberg 590 recently and got a PG to replace the factory stock and forend.

Let me say that I'm 6'5 and 300+ pounds. I've been able to take it out to the range a few times since I bought it, first time I was a little afraid to shoot slugs through it but the second time I ran 9 slugs through quickly and accurately out to 20 or 25 yards (I did that drill a few times). Recoil wasn't bad at all and I was racking the slide as fast I could without being out of control.

I much prefer the size of the gun and feel of the pistol grips for something I'll be carrying through my home should the need arise, very compact, very close to my body, and points very naturally. I have no intentions of ninja'ing it out anymore...maybe a sling so I can have a light in one hand and a hand controlling the gun in a ready for action position.

I also have a couple of other options if I need a shotgun with a stock for whatever reason..but I'm happy with my bump in the night gun.

Dave_Shotgun · April 5, 2009, 08:14 AM

Quote:

In the world of plastic stocked Mossberg 500s and Remington 870s the terms "pistol grip" and "pistol grip only" may have become synonymous, but they are not in the realm of sporting and target shotguns. The term "pistol grip" goes way back and was initially used to distinguish grip stocks from classic straight, or English, stocks. The majority of shotguns sold in the US are of the "pistol grip" style. With tactical specific shotguns came the introduction of "detached pistol grip" and "pistol grip only" stocks. To avoid confusion, when using the term "pistol grip" remember to include "detached (or full)" or "only" as applicable, otherwise you're talking about a conventional stock.

Thank you for clarifying this zippy. I am very new to shotguns and I thought that PG and PGO basically meant the same thing (that the shotgun had no stock, only a handgun type grip). Detachable pistol grip looks really cool so you can have the best of both worlds.

hogdogs · April 5, 2009, 10:01 AM

Zippy is absolutely correct. But I don't specify the difference in a straight english style and a regular ol' pistol grip standard wooden/synthetic stock. For sake of simplicity I refer to a PGO as that of what we all know it to be and a pistol grip stock as the AR type. This is because at least 50% of the folks who find this section are quite new to all the shotguns in general. Of those many are going to get advise and/or opinion even if they do not ask for it. Since the english style straight stock is quite limited in the realm of modern shotguns I doubt many are runnin out lookin' for one to fit their "Mossy" splatter gun.
The second stock in your row of 3 is the one I prefer for HD/SD and hunting.
Thanks for pointing it out though...
Brent

protectedbyglock · April 5, 2009, 10:04 AM

Dammit, where is the option in the poll for:
"Used one once, didn't really like it, but bought one anyway and never installed it"

hogdogs · April 5, 2009, 10:06 AM

PBG, I shoulda made a place for "Bought, never used and is in the parts bin somewhere..."
Mine is here somewhere I think...
Brent

LouPran · April 5, 2009, 11:03 AM

My HD Tactical shotgun is a Remington 870 MarineMagnum with a Knoxx Spec Ops recoil reducing PG stock and padded butt.

It's a tank.

Even with heavy loads like 3" Magnum 00 Buck it's a creampuff to shoot held PG only.

I believe it's a combination of the weight and the recoil reducing design. Either way ... My 100lb daughter can shoot it.

The Knoxx stocks work like a charm.

View Poll Results: Have you tried a PGO grip and do you still use it...
I have tried it but do not use it.	24	23.08%
I have tried it and do still use it.	18	17.31%
I have tried it but removed it and got rid of it.	14	13.46%
I have tried it but removed it still have it though.	19	18.27%
I have never tried but would like to.	19	18.27%
I have never tried it, won't try it.	15	14.42%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 104. You may not vote on this poll

April 4, 2009, 02:48 PM	#1
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	Pistol grip Only POLL This isn't a what is good better or best. It is simply to state if you have previously owned and tried the PGO. If you have, do you still own it and/or use it. Brent

April 4, 2009, 04:12 PM	#6
rantingredneck Senior Member Join Date: January 12, 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,728	Tried the speedfeed birdshead style for 870. Tried the Mossberg 500 factory version. Tried the butler creek folding stock for 870. All have found their way to other homes. __________________ NRA Member NC Hunter's Education Instructor PCCA Member (What's PCCA you ask? <- Check the link)

April 4, 2009, 04:31 PM	#7
Evan Thomas Senior Member Join Date: July 7, 2008 Location: Upper midwest Posts: 5,631	Never tried one, don't need to. Along with a bunch of other things, like, oh, heroin, bungee jumping, eating live frogs... __________________ Never let anything mechanical know you're in a hurry.

April 4, 2009, 04:47 PM	#8
amd6547 Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2006 Posts: 2,313	Have the speedfeed birdshead grip on my HD Mossberg. No problem handling recoil or hitting what I point at, even at 25yds. My Mossberg has the Hogue overmolded fore-end, which gives me a good grip out front. I use full power 00 buck. If I want a shotgun with a stock, I have a Remingtom Model 11 riot gun. __________________ The past is gone...the future may never happen. Be Here Now.

April 4, 2009, 03:14 PM	#2
Dave_Shotgun Member Join Date: April 4, 2009 Location: Ontario Posts: 32	I was planning on getting a PG shotgun but I'm not a very strong guy and only weigh 155 lbs, thus I don't think I would be able to handle the recoil. I'm going to stick with the stock.

April 4, 2009, 03:41 PM	#3
Ricky B Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2002 Posts: 251	In case anyone wonders how someone could vote "No, I haven't and don't want to try it," I figure that if Dave McC says that it isn't much fun, I can trust him on that.

April 4, 2009, 03:44 PM	#4
Creature Junior member Join Date: April 8, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,769	Had one...and hated it.

April 4, 2009, 04:08 PM	#5
Lee Lapin Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2004 Location: SE NC Posts: 1,239	Used one for a while- a Win 1300 20 gauge pump with a laser and a Speedfeed bird's head style PG. Quit working where I needed the compactness inside vehicles and put the conventional shoulder stock back on the gun. The PG is still in the parts bin somewhere... lpl

April 4, 2009, 05:31 PM	#9
rem870hunter Senior Member Join Date: October 12, 2007 Location: N.J. and trying to decide what state to move to. Posts: 973	have tried both pg only and pg with buttstock. have pg w/buttstock on 2 870wingmaster 12 ga. better control when hunting deer. but no pg only on any presently. presently using a speedfeed type 2 on a 12 ga 870 express mag. __________________ BEAR Bows,Remington shotguns,Marlin rifles

April 4, 2009, 05:50 PM	#10
SPUSCG Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2008 Posts: 3,004	PGOs are so you can show friends and have them go "whoah PGO" and generally be a mall ninja, I see people with them at the range who give up on shooting once there hand hurts (maybe a full tube) __________________ Check us out: www.imfdb.org. Fun site for people who love gun movies.

April 4, 2009, 05:52 PM	#11
Tommy Vercetti Senior Member Join Date: June 26, 2004 Location: Fairhope, Alabama Posts: 1,119	I keep a pistolgrip shotgun handy to "repel boarders" __________________ "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." Sinclair Lewis, (It Can't Happen Here, 1935) "Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero

April 4, 2009, 06:00 PM	#12
amd6547 Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2006 Posts: 2,313	The only friend who has seen mine was my shooting buddy, when we both had ours at the range and were shooting slugs at 25yds (and hitting). __________________ The past is gone...the future may never happen. Be Here Now.

April 4, 2009, 08:26 PM	#13
Sixer Senior Member Join Date: April 16, 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,891	I'm not a mall ninja, but I do have a PG on my HD shotgun at the moment. I honestly don't see what all the fuss is about. It reduces the OAL of the gun and IMHO increases your manoeuvre-ability a bit. I kept the original wood forend on mine and added a heat shield and side saddle. I like the way it looks... almost a Mad Max type shotgun When I start to add lasers and tri-rail forends you are more than welcome to accuse me of "Mall Ninja-ism." Until then I'll stick with my PGP for HD purposes. Besides, it takes all of 2 minutes to switch it back to the original stock if I feel the need. __________________ Hopp Custom Leather <------ click for HOLSTER awesomeness!! -There is no theory of evolution... Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.

April 4, 2009, 08:42 PM	#14
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	Sixer, I will concede that in a 22 inch wide hall way under battle conditions OAL is a factor. But other than that with conscious deliberate motions, both are basically equal. I can also perry and thrust fore and aft with the 18 inch barrel full stock equipped 500... In close confines you are as apt to confront a BG as in the open and it is still easier to get your gun from you.... Brent

April 4, 2009, 08:52 PM	#15
hoytinak Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 5,721	Had one on the 500....hated it, added a front pistol grip (thought that might help), still hated it, sold both, added a full stock and never looked back.

April 4, 2009, 09:12 PM	#16
Csspecs Senior Member Join Date: December 21, 2005 Posts: 1,111	Tried it did not like it at all. To much muzzle climb, less positive feel. Like I can point shoot a pump gun at targets over 100 feet away just fine, but the PGO really messed my pointing just not natural at all. I play informal airsoft games with pump shotgun based airsoft guns and find that the size is not the problem but rather how you hold it or your tactic. We have PGO as well as full stock and CAR-15 style stocks. I grab the one with the CAR-15 stock a lot, next up would be one with a "speed feedish" stock one with a pistol grip and fixed stock. If I get stuck with a normal style stock I just lay in wait or stick to more open areas and avoid looking for trouble. I find the pistol grips help you pump the gun when shooting at odd angles or from cover. The collapsing stock helps for tight corners, but even still I normally just put the stock under my arm like I did for years grouse hunting in swamps.

April 4, 2009, 10:03 PM	#17
SPUSCG Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2008 Posts: 3,004	I have my regular stock, 20 inch deer barrel, and cloth slip on side saddle that holds 5 shells, and took off rock-hard factory pad and put in a slip on limbsaver. I can room clear with it just fine, shoot it at the range, slugs, buck, it doesn't matter. __________________ Check us out: www.imfdb.org. Fun site for people who love gun movies.

April 4, 2009, 10:30 PM	#18
Scattergun Bob Senior Member Join Date: February 29, 2008 Location: Nine Mile Falls, Washington Posts: 1,186	You know my stand Bob __________________ First, with the most, WINS! Regards, Scattergun Bob

April 5, 2009, 12:40 AM	#20
Sigma 40 Blaster Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2007 Location: East Texas Posts: 997	I am not a hardcore shotgunner by any means but I did buy a Mossberg 590 recently and got a PG to replace the factory stock and forend. Let me say that I'm 6'5 and 300+ pounds. I've been able to take it out to the range a few times since I bought it, first time I was a little afraid to shoot slugs through it but the second time I ran 9 slugs through quickly and accurately out to 20 or 25 yards (I did that drill a few times). Recoil wasn't bad at all and I was racking the slide as fast I could without being out of control. I much prefer the size of the gun and feel of the pistol grips for something I'll be carrying through my home should the need arise, very compact, very close to my body, and points very naturally. I have no intentions of ninja'ing it out anymore...maybe a sling so I can have a light in one hand and a hand controlling the gun in a ready for action position. I also have a couple of other options if I need a shotgun with a stock for whatever reason..but I'm happy with my bump in the night gun.

April 5, 2009, 10:01 AM	#22
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	Zippy is absolutely correct. But I don't specify the difference in a straight english style and a regular ol' pistol grip standard wooden/synthetic stock. For sake of simplicity I refer to a PGO as that of what we all know it to be and a pistol grip stock as the AR type. This is because at least 50% of the folks who find this section are quite new to all the shotguns in general. Of those many are going to get advise and/or opinion even if they do not ask for it. Since the english style straight stock is quite limited in the realm of modern shotguns I doubt many are runnin out lookin' for one to fit their "Mossy" splatter gun. The second stock in your row of 3 is the one I prefer for HD/SD and hunting. Thanks for pointing it out though... Brent

April 5, 2009, 10:04 AM	#23
protectedbyglock Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2006 Location: PA Posts: 470	Dammit, where is the option in the poll for: "Used one once, didn't really like it, but bought one anyway and never installed it" __________________ "Reach out your hand if your cup be empty. If your cup be full, let it be again. Let it be known, there is a fountain, that was not made by the hands of men"

April 5, 2009, 10:06 AM	#24
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	PBG, I shoulda made a place for "Bought, never used and is in the parts bin somewhere..." Mine is here somewhere I think... Brent

April 5, 2009, 11:03 AM	#25
LouPran Senior Member Join Date: February 21, 2008 Location: Buried under record fall of "climate change" Posts: 346	My HD Tactical shotgun is a Remington 870 MarineMagnum with a Knoxx Spec Ops recoil reducing PG stock and padded butt. It's a tank. Even with heavy loads like 3" Magnum 00 Buck it's a creampuff to shoot held PG only. I believe it's a combination of the weight and the recoil reducing design. Either way ... My 100lb daughter can shoot it. The Knoxx stocks work like a charm. __________________ Aspire to inspire before you expire - the poster formerly known as JP.

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