M1 Carbine "Pouch"

Sixer · February 5, 2009, 06:52 PM

I found this in an ammo box that belonged to my grandfather. Not exactly sure what it is, but the box contained mostly .30 carbine ammo so... Anyhow it's just a double pouch type deal made from fairly thin cloth. Any ideas? Thanks!

Alert · February 5, 2009, 06:55 PM

it looks very military surplus

TEDDY · February 7, 2009, 04:09 PM

cant quite read the printing but looks like it is 1917.any thing else is different material.

grendelbane · February 7, 2009, 05:53 PM

That is indeed interesting! It is not for the .30 Carbine round, though the velocity listed is very close to that. The carbine round didn't come along for almost another quarter century.

It might have been a portion of a bandoleer for .30-40 Krag cartridges. They were still being loaded at that date, I understand. (In military bandoleers, I mean). At least, I have seen one such bandoleer in a collection.

The 1966 velocity seems to be consistent with what I remember of the old .30-40 Krag ballistics.

Definitely not .30-06, either full power or gallery load, as one is too low, and the other is too high. Too high for .30 Pedersen also.

So my vote is it is a remnant of a bandoleer of old Krag cartridges.

Sixer · February 7, 2009, 07:48 PM

You know what, that actually makes sense. There were a number of different types of old ammo in the box where I found this. I'll probably have to post pics of the ammo because I'm not exactly sure how to identify most of them. The headstamps don't help much, I think they are mostly military rounds???

SilentHitz · February 7, 2009, 08:22 PM

pics would be kewl Sixer, I love it when people find stashes of old wartime stuff.

dahermit · February 7, 2009, 09:31 PM

"...velocity close to .30 carbine..." "...dated 1917..."? Could have something to do with WWI "Pederson Device".

Sixer · February 9, 2009, 01:56 AM

Here is some of the different ammo that was given to me along the "pouch" shown in the OP. I know what most of it is, but I'm not sure on some of the rimfire and larger rifle rounds. I'm not sure if you can identify them from the pics but here they are anyway

Arquebus · February 9, 2009, 08:22 AM

Using the big photo: Left to right .30/06 Springfield, .30/40 Krag (aka .30 Army), .30M1 Carbine, .357 Magnum (with metal piercing bullet), .44/40 (aka .44WCF), .45ACP, .30 Luger, (aka 7.65 Parabellum), .380 Rimfire, .25 ACP, .22 Long Rifle, .22 Short, & (possibly) .22 CB?

SilentHitz · February 9, 2009, 08:47 AM

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.22 CB?

Right you are...still got a few of those around here somewhere.

Sixer · February 9, 2009, 02:12 PM

Thanks Arquebus! I had no idea what a few of those were...

The cartridge 5th from the right is actaully a .32 rimfire. The only reason I know that is because I have a handfull of them that are still in the original box.

I appreciate the help!

**44 AMP** · February 11, 2009, 02:01 AM

The .45 Auto round you have EC 43 is loaded in a steel case. I had some of these rounds a long time ago. This was only done in 1943 (to save brass), and I would think that now they are rather collectible.

The cloth pouch is very interesting, especially the 1917 date. The 1966fps is too low for the .30-40 Krag (.30USA) which should be 2200fps for the 220gr bullet, and the date puts it decades before the .30 Carbine round. The only known round in that era and power range is the .30 Pedersen. I do not know what the specs for that one were, but I would assume something close to the .30 carbine, perhaps a bit less.

If your pouch was made to hold Pedersen rounds, that makes it a ver rare thing indeed.

Sixer · February 11, 2009, 03:23 AM

Intersting... Any idea where I could find more info on this pouch? Or at least point me in the right direction...

Thanks for the insight 44 Amp!

Chris_B · February 13, 2009, 04:24 PM

Looks much too light-duty to be military. Probably civilian in my opinion

February 5, 2009, 06:52 PM	#1
Sixer Senior Member Join Date: April 16, 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,891	M1 Carbine "Pouch" I found this in an ammo box that belonged to my grandfather. Not exactly sure what it is, but the box contained mostly .30 carbine ammo so... Anyhow it's just a double pouch type deal made from fairly thin cloth. Any ideas? Thanks!

February 5, 2009, 06:55 PM	#2
Alert Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2007 Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 203	it looks very military surplus __________________ "One man with courage makes a majority" Andrew Jackson

February 7, 2009, 04:09 PM	#3
TEDDY Junior member Join Date: December 10, 2006 Location: MANNING SC Posts: 837	??????????????? cant quite read the printing but looks like it is 1917.any thing else is different material.

February 9, 2009, 08:22 AM	#9
Arquebus Senior Member Join Date: October 1, 2008 Location: Inland NW Posts: 116	Catridge IDs Using the big photo: Left to right .30/06 Springfield, .30/40 Krag (aka .30 Army), .30M1 Carbine, .357 Magnum (with metal piercing bullet), .44/40 (aka .44WCF), .45ACP, .30 Luger, (aka 7.65 Parabellum), .380 Rimfire, .25 ACP, .22 Long Rifle, .22 Short, & (possibly) .22 CB? __________________ "For a man, be he ever so much resolved to do his duty as a parent, can't be flogging his children all day....." The Memoirs of Barry Lyndon, Esq. (William Thackeray).

February 11, 2009, 02:01 AM	#12
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,846	FYI The .45 Auto round you have EC 43 is loaded in a steel case. I had some of these rounds a long time ago. This was only done in 1943 (to save brass), and I would think that now they are rather collectible. The cloth pouch is very interesting, especially the 1917 date. The 1966fps is too low for the .30-40 Krag (.30USA) which should be 2200fps for the 220gr bullet, and the date puts it decades before the .30 Carbine round. The only known round in that era and power range is the .30 Pedersen. I do not know what the specs for that one were, but I would assume something close to the .30 carbine, perhaps a bit less. If your pouch was made to hold Pedersen rounds, that makes it a ver rare thing indeed. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

February 7, 2009, 05:53 PM	#4
grendelbane Member Join Date: August 8, 2005 Posts: 66	That is indeed interesting! It is not for the .30 Carbine round, though the velocity listed is very close to that. The carbine round didn't come along for almost another quarter century. It might have been a portion of a bandoleer for .30-40 Krag cartridges. They were still being loaded at that date, I understand. (In military bandoleers, I mean). At least, I have seen one such bandoleer in a collection. The 1966 velocity seems to be consistent with what I remember of the old .30-40 Krag ballistics. Definitely not .30-06, either full power or gallery load, as one is too low, and the other is too high. Too high for .30 Pedersen also. So my vote is it is a remnant of a bandoleer of old Krag cartridges.

February 7, 2009, 07:48 PM	#5
Sixer Senior Member Join Date: April 16, 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,891	You know what, that actually makes sense. There were a number of different types of old ammo in the box where I found this. I'll probably have to post pics of the ammo because I'm not exactly sure how to identify most of them. The headstamps don't help much, I think they are mostly military rounds???

February 7, 2009, 08:22 PM	#6
SilentHitz Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2008 Location: Ms. Posts: 1,984	pics would be kewl Sixer, I love it when people find stashes of old wartime stuff.

February 7, 2009, 09:31 PM	#7
dahermit Senior Member Join Date: October 28, 2006 Location: South Central Michigan...near Posts: 6,501	"...velocity close to .30 carbine..." "...dated 1917..."? Could have something to do with WWI "Pederson Device".

February 9, 2009, 01:56 AM	#8
Sixer Senior Member Join Date: April 16, 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,891	Here is some of the different ammo that was given to me along the "pouch" shown in the OP. I know what most of it is, but I'm not sure on some of the rimfire and larger rifle rounds. I'm not sure if you can identify them from the pics but here they are anyway

February 9, 2009, 02:12 PM	#11
Sixer Senior Member Join Date: April 16, 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,891	Thanks Arquebus! I had no idea what a few of those were... The cartridge 5th from the right is actaully a .32 rimfire. The only reason I know that is because I have a handfull of them that are still in the original box. I appreciate the help!

February 11, 2009, 03:23 AM	#13
Sixer Senior Member Join Date: April 16, 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,891	Intersting... Any idea where I could find more info on this pouch? Or at least point me in the right direction... Thanks for the insight 44 Amp!

February 13, 2009, 04:24 PM	#14
Chris_B Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2007 Posts: 3,101	Looks much too light-duty to be military. Probably civilian in my opinion