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May 1, 2009, 11:35 AM | #26 | |
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May 1, 2009, 11:37 AM | #27 | |
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This isn't about porn or driving. It's about an activity that many people (underage kids included) participate in. |
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May 1, 2009, 11:40 AM | #28 | |
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For example, prohibition made many "normal" people criminals. The solution was not to crack down more on alcohol, the solution was to change the law to suit the needs of the people it governed. |
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May 1, 2009, 11:54 AM | #30 | |
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And by harmful things I don't just mean being stupid with firearms. Stupid things also includes perfectly legal stuff like playing around deep water if the kid can't swim, eating peanut butter cookies if the kid has an allergy, etc. We don't need laws for every single stupid thing that kids/parents can do. Even if we try and go through all of the possibilities there will still be somebody who manages to get creative and come up with something on a whole new level of stupid that wasn't banned. |
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I think I need a gunwoobie hat!!! I have in my head a picture of Lou Costello ready to be sacrificed to Vingo the volcano god whilst wearing a sarong and a fez with a open mouth fish on the top while dancing girls undulate around him singing "O Vingo of the Mou- oun-tain, O Vinjo jingo Vingo jingo*insert tahitian drums and hip sashay here* (See Pardon My Sarong 194(2?)) Anyway, I need a fez with a.....glock, yes a glock on top so that I can put it on when folks freak out over some silly excersize in posturing by some two bit legislature in an economically deprived state....I personally think energy should be saved for the big issues and yes, I am aware of creeping incrementalism or what not and no, I dont view banning machine guns for 16 year olds as the first step to confiscation and tossing patriots into camps to be reindoctrinated by Marxist babes with birkenstocks, dreads and unshaved armpits.. So whoever photoshops me a Gunwoobie hat gets a T Shirt of some type Domo arigato, hai! Sumimasen, watashi wa bakaa gaijin! (I'm practicing) |
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Shooting machine guns under proper supervision is no more dangerous than shooting any other gun.
Banning kids from one sort of gun opens the door to ban them from all other sorts of guns, and youth shooting is possibly the most important way for people to be introduced to firearms in a safe and normal way. By the time I was 16 I had no interest in guns, everything I learned about them I learned before 16 and after 25. Between those years all I cared about was beer, girls, and crazy music. If we start cutting kids out of the shooting sports we are going to have a bunch of irresponsible 25 year old noobs as the youngest generation of shooters. And that will suck because I have known some of those dumbasses.
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B. Oh, definitely, there are a lot of new ideas that have arisen over the last centuries. Heck, anymore we don't even let parents decide that kids can quit school at 8 and go work in factories. It's new-fangled ideas like this that will destroy this country, I tell you. Quote:
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When else has a kid been harmed shooting an MG? When has ANYONE been harmed shooting an MG? Hint: It doesn't happen. Ever.
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I still invite you to show some facts showing that it is indeed a "dangerous" behavior... Edit: wow, look at all these irresponsible parents http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVwI0SST-lk
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But I could be wrong. As for the law in question, I'd say it's probably best to just leave this to be prosecuted under general laws against negligence, but I have a hard time getting any real outrage going over it. |
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And now -- in CT -- your parents don't get to decide to hand their 8-year-old who is standing next to me on the firing line and Uzi because they think he/she is "ready." Bummer.
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we need to stop protecting stupid people
Protecting people from them selves isn't the answer. I shot several machine guns when i was 8 and an UZI was one of them. Before i shot it i was told what to expect and how to deal with it. It did have a very lasting effect on my life and definitely helped shape me into who i am today.
Laws that enforce common sense don't help. All they do is delay natural selection. Is it sad that a child died, Yes. I am a parent and can relate, but a law that says no child shooting a machine guns is not the answer. It was an isolated event. The likely hood of it happening again in my life time is slim to none. so why add to the muddle law system to prevent something that is not likely to happen again. Everyone needs to take personal responsibility for their and their kids actions. laws cannot help you make good decisions they can only help punish the people who make poor decisions. Laws should only be in place to set guidelines for punishment of poor decisions that affect another's rights negatively. I mean really, suicide is illegal in my state. I cannot see some one who is depressed to the point of suicide saying well i was going to do it, but that would be against the law and i don't want to go to jail for killing myself. |
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So when do you stop making new laws? We would be a lot safer if we wore life vests all the time at the beach, but that would interfere with my sunburn lines, and my daughter's. Once my daughter is old enough to show an interest in alcohol I intend in sitting down with her and having her first drink with her at around 16 or so (it's legal in my state with consent of the parent) to remove the forbidden fruit aspect. I'm not talking getting wasted. I'm talking about sharing a beer with her while discussing what she and her peers think about underage drinking. Certainly there are people and parents who misuse alcohol, but should the way I parent be infringed upon because there are dummies? The same goes for guns. There are others that certainly are stupid and use them irresponsibly. I don't, nor will I let my kid. Should Uncle Sam really be telling me that because there are others who misuse the right, I shouldn't be able to? I'm going to have to say no. Can't we hold a parent responsible for being stupid without having a law against the particular flavor of stupid that was going on? |
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Anyway, that's about it: some people think we should prohibit adults from handing automatice weapons to kids. Some don't. The legislatures will decide. Be sure to vote! And have a nice day.
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While I dont advocate killing kids, I do advocate having common sense. And life has its little ways of keeping things the way they should be.
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So how exactly does one go about outlawing all forms of irresponsibility while defining each so that it isn't vague?
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Fine, so machine guns are dangerous. All guns are dangerous. But they very rarely hurt anyone. It's a far safer sport than football, I can testify to that much.
The main thing is that 16 is way too high to set the bar. An 11 or 12 year old is way more trustworthy around guns than a 16 year old, they are beyond help at that point. 16 year olds are stupid to the point of being dangerous, younger kids are a blank slate and will take instruction well if you can get them interested. Machine guns are a great way to get kids interested in guns and they provide an opportunity to teach them. If my grandfather hadn't put that Sterling in my hands at 11, and shown me how much fun guns can be, I probably would not have been interested in guns at all. All kids should have a chance to shoot a machine gun. It's a safe, healthy, normal experience that can lead to a life of respect for and interest in firearms.
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Does Connecticutt law actually allow the possession of MG's?
If so how many registered MG's are in the state? I would guess there aren't many. Also, I have a serious problem with allowing a behavior for 14-15 year olds based upon an incident involving an 8 year old. The is a substantial difference in an 8 year old and a 15 year old. |
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