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May 18, 2011, 11:41 AM | #51 |
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Mossberg 930 SPX. Combat ready out of the box.
http://www.mossberg.com/products/def...ction=products Like a pump, then the 590A1 will do ya.
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May 18, 2011, 08:10 PM | #52 | |
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May 19, 2011, 01:57 AM | #53 |
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Intimidation...
A heat shield or other tacticool knick knacks may not be fully needed for firing 1/2 12ga shells in a real critical event but I'd say a "mean, lean fighting machine" may scare the scat out of a violent criminal.
It's not a 100% absolute by any means but if it deters a thug or reduces the chance of a shooting then so be it. The main goal is defense or protection not re-doing the Alamo or the Tet Offensive. CF ps; Dont think that a "combat" shotgun will impress every violent felon either. As the late author Robert Boatman said; "A well aimed shot of intimidation never killed anyone." www.Boatmanbooks.com |
May 19, 2011, 02:27 PM | #54 |
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What's taking so long...
Isn't this thing built yet?
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May 19, 2011, 08:08 PM | #55 |
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Benelli M2 tactical WITH the comfortech and extended midlength mag tube is my choice, not that I will ever buy a shotgun for any kind of defensive use, pistols excell much faster and easier in this role. I happen to have a few pistols
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May 19, 2011, 08:52 PM | #56 | |
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Not quite sure how that is true.
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May 19, 2011, 09:58 PM | #57 | |
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The comment about pistols excelling [sic..] in this role MUST BE CHALLENGED, hence the possible hi jacking of this thread... OK, first of all a shotgun is as controllable or more controllable than most major caliber handguns. They are as controllable or more controllable than most major caliber handguns, and a semi auto shotgun gun be fired accurately as quickly as most stock handguns (not talking race guns here...) So lets say someone has a 12ga loaded with 2&3/4 #0 Buck - that is a 580 grain payload. Getting shot with that is like getting simultaneously shot by twelve .32 cal carbines. (Kinda - http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu91.htm) Twelve .32 cal projectiles that penetrate 12 to 14" Same weapon loaded with #000 Buck is like getting shot by 9mm eight times (kind of, like maybe with 95grain bullets). A person with a semi-auto shotgun can fire as quickly as someone with a handgun, but the shotgun delivers many more projectiles in less time. There is no way a pistol excels over a shotgun in HD/SD. |
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May 19, 2011, 10:14 PM | #58 |
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Here is some interesting info on shotgun wounds at various distances:
http://firearmsid.com/A_distshotpatt.htm Some pictorials of shot patterns at more than HD range with different chokes and ammo: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot45.htm |
May 22, 2011, 08:37 PM | #59 |
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I completely agree
Lol....thanks for the info Count Zero. I agree with you about the Shotgun as a HD/SD weapon. As to your previous post asking if it was built yet?....not quite my friend, but the foundation has been dug and we are under construction. I will post pics when I am done but it's at least a couple weeks out.
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May 23, 2011, 09:31 PM | #60 | |
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I don't know, I actually am a little partial to the Bennelli. I have heard that th ecollapsable stock on the M4 is not adjustable - it's either completely extended or completley collapsed, but there are corners in my house I wouldn't want to go around with a full stock. I don't think I would mind having a short stock. But I don't know... The other thing is it seems really difficult (and confusing) to get the collapable stock version of the M4. I don't think the 930 can be fitted with a buttstock that is going to collapse. When I compared the two though - I sort of came to the conclusion that they are about the same as far as reliability goes. |
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May 23, 2011, 10:10 PM | #61 |
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Everything I have read indicates that the 930 is as reliable as a semi-auto shotgun gets. The M4 may be "better" in certain respects but I doubt it is any more reliable than a 930.
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May 24, 2011, 03:37 PM | #62 | |
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I guess instead of it called a Home Defensive shotgun, it would be a Home Offensive shotgun? |
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May 24, 2011, 07:36 PM | #63 |
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Short 590A1, long 590, 500...
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May 24, 2011, 07:42 PM | #64 |
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My "combat" shotgun was a stock Mossberg Maverick 88 for several years. It was my most used gun at the time, so I was very familiar with it. Than I had a Fail to Fire incident.
Then I bought a benelli nova. The stock was too short so I bought a butt pad, it has ghost ring sights (which are quite high) so I bought a cheek rest that also holds 10 or so extra rounds of 12 gauge. When I go shooting I have to carry the firearms a ways sometimes so I bought a nice leather sling for it. My advice for you is to buy a shotgun that feels good and has an extended magazine. And then shoot the heck out of it. I like shooting clays because it gives you expierence with moving targets. Then once you've put some rounds through it and learned how it shoots, then start to buy "add-ons" for it and see what you like. The best weapon to have in combat is the one that you are most familiar with.
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May 26, 2011, 11:24 AM | #65 |
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I'm watching this thread with a lot of interest.
Years ago, on a whim, I bought an older well used 870 12g Wingmaster with the intent on building a HD shotgun. It has a long barrel; I'm not sure as I haven't measured it but it has to be 24" or 28". It also has a left-handed safety, which I thought would be a simple thing to reverse. Now years later it sits in a case untouched - but is a project I'd still like to undertake. I wonder whether or not to cut the barrel or buy a new one, keep the wood furniture or go with synthetic, should I go with sights or not, extended mag tube or none, & how much will it cost to reverse the safety. This thread has helped!
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