Silenced Shotty

Morgoroth · February 2, 2010, 09:55 AM

I know that video games are a bad source for realism, but there are a couple out now that are supposed to be realistic and have silenced shotguns.

There is some info on the net about it also. It seems like a slug would be pretty quiet with a silencer since it is subsonic.

Any body around here have any experience with this?

flight954 · February 2, 2010, 11:21 AM

The only information I've found is from a European company. Other than that it looks like you would have to build one yourself with the approval on a $200 Form (I can't remember which one) from the BATFE.

mrnkc130 · February 2, 2010, 12:38 PM

Should be a form 1 for a build...no idea on how to make it work with a shotgun though... I recall a previous thread discussing this... You'd have to go digging for it though

Brian Pfleuger · February 2, 2010, 01:21 PM

Quote:

It seems like a slug would be pretty quiet with a silencer since it is subsonic.

That's not always true. In fact, more often than not, slugs are super-sonic.

Lavid2002 · February 2, 2010, 01:35 PM

Id imagine the wad would cause some problems....no?

mapsjanhere · February 2, 2010, 04:27 PM

The big issue will be effectiveness. You have that huge center hole, so a lot of your gases will go just straight instead of entering whatever you use to suppress the sound.

LukeA · February 2, 2010, 06:36 PM

To make a shotgun suppressor as effective as the MW2 or No Country For Old Men one, it would have to be much larger in real life than those fictional ones.

James K · February 2, 2010, 06:46 PM

I never tried it but I have read that suppressors (silencers) have been tried on shotguns and failed due to the suppressor trapping small shot and bits of wadding. Maybe if something like a copper shot cup were tried, it might work.

Jim

SDC · February 2, 2010, 07:03 PM

I've fired a "Hushpower" single-shot based on an Italian break-open shotgun, and it was surprisingly effective, but had a very unusual report to it; the outer aluminium body of the suppressor would ring slightly with each shot, so you would get a "thwop-nnnng" sound with each shot. They built these very simply, with a rear diaphragm welded onto the barrel, the rest of the barrel ported with 4 rows of holes, and the rest of the suppressor threaded onto the barrel from the front. It tended to get dirty, but it was easy to clean, and the wad did a fairly good job of directing the gas into the suppressor.

SwampYankee · February 2, 2010, 07:08 PM

What is this "shotty" you speak of? "Shotty" workmanship? How do you put a silencer on that

Grandpatime · February 2, 2010, 07:17 PM

i dont care if you call it a shotty or shotgun im not going to be a^^ hole just so i can sound smart.Anyways there is a suppressor builder who made one for a 410 mossberg 500

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cz8uZWtt3Q

RAnb · February 2, 2010, 07:40 PM

Here is a reflex design. I read somewhere that it suppressed less than 20 decibels. It should work with slugs and shot though.

Hushpower in England makes them with the usual baffles instead of a perforated tube afaik. The baffles just have a large bore to keep from catching the shot cup.

Ranb

SwampYankee · February 2, 2010, 08:11 PM

Well Grandpa, it doesn't seem like you have to try very hard to be one, and I don't mean smart!

By the by, your use of the "^" to disguise your language is clearly a forum breach.

Grandpatime · February 2, 2010, 08:20 PM

There you go again lol .Its alright you cant help it

Morgoroth · February 3, 2010, 07:54 AM

ahem... Back to the topic. That vid is pretty cool. And fairly effective it sounds like. Wonder if they tried it with larger gauges?

Pizzakilla- You are right. I forgot a step when I did the math. The speed of sound is 1125fps at sea lvl. Most slug rounds are higher than that, but a lot of shot rounds are really close or under that. I wonder if anyone who loads their own shells has loaded subsonic shells on purpose and how much difference it would make?

This fist listing or 00 buck would be subsonic if it shot at exactly that MV.

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...mmo&hasJS=true

jaguarxk120 · February 3, 2010, 07:36 PM

Quote"i dont care if you call it a shotty or shotgun im not going to be a^^ hole just so i can sound smart.Anyways there is a suppressor builder who made one for a 410 mossberg 500 "

Please see the Rules of Conduct, number 4, it spells out the use of the english language and slang terms.

Grandpatime · February 3, 2010, 09:27 PM

I just dont see the point of giving him a hard time when you know what he's talking about thats being a ass

SwampYankee · February 3, 2010, 09:36 PM

It was a joke. It was humor. It was worth a smirk and nothing more. It was a comment that was easily ignored. You however, felt the need to respond to a little levity with name calling. Why? Are you twelve? Your comment was aggressive, abusive and completely unwarranted.

Frankly, I don't see the point of being a jerk about a silly joke.

deanpf · February 3, 2010, 09:39 PM

Here's another YouTube from England.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB__xEwuM50

Grandpatime · February 3, 2010, 09:41 PM

im a stiff when it comes to gun stuff i dont like "joking around"

Willie Lowman · February 5, 2010, 09:12 PM

Oh! I wanna argue too!

Shotty is accepted slang for shotgun. It has been in use for over 100 years. IIRC it was coined by big game hunters in Africa. Grow up guys.

Quote:

"Shotty" workmanship?

I think you mean "shoddy"
shod·dy
adj. shod·di·er, shod·di·est
1. Made of or containing inferior material.
2. Of poor quality or craft.

Legion2600 · February 11, 2010, 02:23 AM

I think Tony Rumore was working on something like this.

SwampYankee · February 11, 2010, 09:55 AM

Wille,

Clearly you're never run into humor before. Has anyone ever told you a joke before? Did you get it?

No, I meant "shotty", I put the word in quotes to emphasize that I was making a pun. I was using the fact that "shotty" and "shoddy" sound alike. It's called word substitution. Yes, I know what they both mean. I happen to have a Ph.D. from an ivy league university. I'm sorry if my humor is too cerebral for your comprehension.

There was no argument. I made a joke, another guy with no sense of humor got bent out of shape, called me names and I made fun of him. Done. Finished. Period. How about you grow up and let it drop?

The thread was viewed 716 times. You and Grandptime were the only people that didn't get the joke and saw the need to be antagonistic. What does that tell you about yourself?

flight954 · February 11, 2010, 10:22 AM

Hey SwampYankee there's alot on this board that get their feelers hurt if you throw in a little satire. I've also been flamed for it

jesus5150 · February 11, 2010, 12:35 PM

I got into this thread because I was genuinely interested in the topic. I played the Videogame, Call of duty (4) and I stumbled across a supressed SPAS and thought... No... You can't do that... Can You? And ever since then I've been EXTREMELY interested in the topic. But after the arguing and name calling... I just want everyone to hug it out! I'm sad now

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?

Now my manscara is running lol (just kidding, it's waterproof. ha ha now i'm really kidding and also done)

Interesting thread.

February 2, 2010, 09:55 AM	#1
Morgoroth Senior Member Join Date: January 12, 2010 Posts: 198	Silenced Shotty I know that video games are a bad source for realism, but there are a couple out now that are supposed to be realistic and have silenced shotguns. There is some info on the net about it also. It seems like a slug would be pretty quiet with a silencer since it is subsonic. Any body around here have any experience with this?

February 2, 2010, 12:38 PM	#3
mrnkc130 Senior Member Join Date: July 27, 2009 Location: Justin, TX Posts: 149	Should be a form 1 for a build...no idea on how to make it work with a shotgun though... I recall a previous thread discussing this... You'd have to go digging for it though __________________ Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man,the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a timehanded out military command, high civil office, legions — everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things:bread and circuses (Juvenal, Satire 10.77–81)

February 2, 2010, 01:35 PM	#5
Lavid2002 Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2007 Posts: 2,568	Id imagine the wad would cause some problems....no? __________________ Math>Grammar

February 2, 2010, 04:27 PM	#6
mapsjanhere Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,832	The big issue will be effectiveness. You have that huge center hole, so a lot of your gases will go just straight instead of entering whatever you use to suppress the sound. __________________ I used to love being able to hit hard at 1000 yards. As I get older I find hitting a mini ram at 200 yards with the 22 oddly more satisfying.

February 2, 2010, 07:03 PM	#9
SDC Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2001 Location: People's Republic of Kanada Posts: 1,652	I've fired a "Hushpower" single-shot based on an Italian break-open shotgun, and it was surprisingly effective, but had a very unusual report to it; the outer aluminium body of the suppressor would ring slightly with each shot, so you would get a "thwop-nnnng" sound with each shot. They built these very simply, with a rear diaphragm welded onto the barrel, the rest of the barrel ported with 4 rows of holes, and the rest of the suppressor threaded onto the barrel from the front. It tended to get dirty, but it was easy to clean, and the wad did a fairly good job of directing the gas into the suppressor. __________________ Gun control in Canada: making the streets safer for rapists, muggers, and other violent criminals since 1936.

February 2, 2010, 11:21 AM	#2
flight954 Senior Member Join Date: November 1, 2006 Location: Cypress, Texas Posts: 933	The only information I've found is from a European company. Other than that it looks like you would have to build one yourself with the approval on a $200 Form (I can't remember which one) from the BATFE.

February 2, 2010, 06:36 PM	#7
LukeA Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2009 Posts: 542	To make a shotgun suppressor as effective as the MW2 or No Country For Old Men one, it would have to be much larger in real life than those fictional ones.

February 2, 2010, 06:46 PM	#8
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	I never tried it but I have read that suppressors (silencers) have been tried on shotguns and failed due to the suppressor trapping small shot and bits of wadding. Maybe if something like a copper shot cup were tried, it might work. Jim

February 2, 2010, 07:08 PM	#10
SwampYankee Registration in progress Join Date: November 1, 2008 Location: I can be found on a number of other forums. Posts: 1,333	What is this "shotty" you speak of? "Shotty" workmanship? How do you put a silencer on that

February 2, 2010, 07:17 PM	#11
Grandpatime Junior member Join Date: January 23, 2010 Posts: 121	i dont care if you call it a shotty or shotgun im not going to be a^^ hole just so i can sound smart.Anyways there is a suppressor builder who made one for a 410 mossberg 500 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cz8uZWtt3Q

February 2, 2010, 07:40 PM	#12
RAnb Junior member Join Date: July 20, 2008 Location: WA, USA Posts: 447	Here is a reflex design. I read somewhere that it suppressed less than 20 decibels. It should work with slugs and shot though. Hushpower in England makes them with the usual baffles instead of a perforated tube afaik. The baffles just have a large bore to keep from catching the shot cup. Ranb

February 2, 2010, 08:11 PM	#13
SwampYankee Registration in progress Join Date: November 1, 2008 Location: I can be found on a number of other forums. Posts: 1,333	Well Grandpa, it doesn't seem like you have to try very hard to be one, and I don't mean smart! By the by, your use of the "^" to disguise your language is clearly a forum breach.

February 2, 2010, 08:20 PM	#14
Grandpatime Junior member Join Date: January 23, 2010 Posts: 121	There you go again lol .Its alright you cant help it

February 3, 2010, 07:54 AM	#15
Morgoroth Senior Member Join Date: January 12, 2010 Posts: 198	ahem... Back to the topic. That vid is pretty cool. And fairly effective it sounds like. Wonder if they tried it with larger gauges? Pizzakilla- You are right. I forgot a step when I did the math. The speed of sound is 1125fps at sea lvl. Most slug rounds are higher than that, but a lot of shot rounds are really close or under that. I wonder if anyone who loads their own shells has loaded subsonic shells on purpose and how much difference it would make? This fist listing or 00 buck would be subsonic if it shot at exactly that MV. http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...mmo&hasJS=true Last edited by Morgoroth; February 3, 2010 at 08:13 AM. Reason: PS

February 3, 2010, 07:36 PM	#16
jaguarxk120 Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,619	Quote"i dont care if you call it a shotty or shotgun im not going to be a^^ hole just so i can sound smart.Anyways there is a suppressor builder who made one for a 410 mossberg 500 " Please see the Rules of Conduct, number 4, it spells out the use of the english language and slang terms.

February 3, 2010, 09:27 PM	#17
Grandpatime Junior member Join Date: January 23, 2010 Posts: 121	I just dont see the point of giving him a hard time when you know what he's talking about thats being a ass

February 3, 2010, 09:36 PM	#18
SwampYankee Registration in progress Join Date: November 1, 2008 Location: I can be found on a number of other forums. Posts: 1,333	It was a joke. It was humor. It was worth a smirk and nothing more. It was a comment that was easily ignored. You however, felt the need to respond to a little levity with name calling. Why? Are you twelve? Your comment was aggressive, abusive and completely unwarranted. Frankly, I don't see the point of being a jerk about a silly joke.

February 3, 2010, 09:39 PM	#19
deanpf Member Join Date: February 1, 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 32	Here's another YouTube from England. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB__xEwuM50

February 3, 2010, 09:41 PM	#20
Grandpatime Junior member Join Date: January 23, 2010 Posts: 121	im a stiff when it comes to gun stuff i dont like "joking around"

February 11, 2010, 02:23 AM	#22
Legion2600 Senior Member Join Date: June 11, 2005 Location: DFW Posts: 108	I think Tony Rumore was working on something like this.

February 11, 2010, 09:55 AM	#23
SwampYankee Registration in progress Join Date: November 1, 2008 Location: I can be found on a number of other forums. Posts: 1,333	Wille, Clearly you're never run into humor before. Has anyone ever told you a joke before? Did you get it? No, I meant "shotty", I put the word in quotes to emphasize that I was making a pun. I was using the fact that "shotty" and "shoddy" sound alike. It's called word substitution. Yes, I know what they both mean. I happen to have a Ph.D. from an ivy league university. I'm sorry if my humor is too cerebral for your comprehension. There was no argument. I made a joke, another guy with no sense of humor got bent out of shape, called me names and I made fun of him. Done. Finished. Period. How about you grow up and let it drop? The thread was viewed 716 times. You and Grandptime were the only people that didn't get the joke and saw the need to be antagonistic. What does that tell you about yourself?

February 11, 2010, 10:22 AM	#24
flight954 Senior Member Join Date: November 1, 2006 Location: Cypress, Texas Posts: 933	Hey SwampYankee there's alot on this board that get their feelers hurt if you throw in a little satire. I've also been flamed for it

February 11, 2010, 12:35 PM	#25
jesus5150 Senior Member Join Date: January 3, 2009 Location: Bismark Posts: 332	I got into this thread because I was genuinely interested in the topic. I played the Videogame, Call of duty (4) and I stumbled across a supressed SPAS and thought... No... You can't do that... Can You? And ever since then I've been EXTREMELY interested in the topic. But after the arguing and name calling... I just want everyone to hug it out! I'm sad now CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG? Now my manscara is running lol (just kidding, it's waterproof. ha ha now i'm really kidding and also done) Interesting thread.