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October 12, 2012, 12:32 PM | #1 |
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45 ACP Federal Hydrashock Question
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Just wondering has anyone found that the Silver or White Box Hydrashock ammo that Federal made to be lacking? I ask this because bonded, HTS, Winchester-T and others seem to be what most people are getting a lot of the time but I find some of these are hard to get my guns to load the first round due to the shape of the tip. Thank you.
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October 12, 2012, 01:04 PM | #2 |
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Which gun do you have?
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October 12, 2012, 01:40 PM | #3 |
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1911s tend to have problems with self defense rounds. they were always intended to be used with ball ammo so the feed ramps were considered adequate, polishing feed ramps might be a good idea. if you are not using a 1911 then maybe your gun just doesn't like hydrashoks, speer gold dots are a good one to try instead.
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"1911s" made more than 25 years ago, or modern-made versions with some sort of retro or reproduction theme, maybe. I've fired JHPs through a Colt made in 1913, using an old G.I. mag. We've been told for decades that you have to throat the barrel, and have to use Wilson mags, etc., to get the old 1911s to run with modern ammo. That said, throating the barrel (if you can find a barrel that hasn't been throated at the factory), could certainly help with feeding of JHPs.
The first two versions of the Hydra-shok had a truncated cone shape, and some guns don't feed those especially well, but later versions of the H-S have a rounded ogive that is essentially the same shape as hardball, so it should feed better in most guns. |
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It's not cool...
I have about 400-500 rounds of 230 grain Hydra-Shok ammo I scrounged somewhere. I'm not planning on buying any 'new' self defense ammo for some time.
Having said that, the Hydra-Shok is labelled by some as 'older technology', and the 'newer' bullet designs are 'better'. Knock thyself out.
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Speer Gold Dot has a great reputation. My favorite rd.after many years of shooting, reading and study.
There are plenty of pistols available today that will eat them up (and any other JHP ammo) like candy. Good luck. You should read this link: http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_De..._FAQ/index.htm
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Hydrashoks were first known as excellent SD performance years ago and were once the "hot" round of the moment. I don't think the human body has evolved much since then.
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I really want to know where you found FEDERAL HYDRASHOK in white or silver boxes? Could you post a picture of one of the boxes?
I have my guns loaded with Federal HydraShok. I have never seen a silver or white box. I have some old .38 Special HydraShok in 20 round plastic boxes. I have some 9mm in cardboard 20 round boxes (box is black/gold/etc) I have some .380acp, .40S&W and .45ACP in 50 round "tactical" cardboard packaging with the same colors as the 9mm. I have no issues with any of them in my Semi's. My Sig 1911 loves the HydraShok and H.P.R. 230 grain JHP.
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This is an example of the white box not what I've got. I goofed up in my explanation this is more of what I've got. I went back to the box and found its just Federal Classic HP not Hydrashock but even so seems like you've answered my question that I won't feel under powered with just standard HP over even the Hydrashock rounds. I need to remember I'm shooting a marble at my target which is going to cause quite a bit of damage then add its a HP. In answer to other questions yes I'm talking about 1911s however I still had problems with both my Norinco lightly customized original barrel, Loaded Springfield 1911, and Sig 1911 XO with the Winchester 230 gr Ts loading the first round or more.
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Please do not listen to the people telling you to polish your feedramp.
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A little story about real life use of sd weapon where the guy used hydra shoks. just thought i'd post as an fyi
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It is my understanding also that short barreled .45s will not produce the velocity necessary for typical hollow point ammo to expand with a few exceptions (the Hornady Critical Defense & Speer Short Barrel). These rounds are specifically engineered to open up at slower velocities. Another alternative when using a shorter barreled .45, is to use a lighter weight round (185 or 200 gr) loaded in +P. In my humble opinion, if you are carrying a .45 with a barrel of 4 inches or less, ammo selection becomes extremely important.
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Modern hollow point designs have a wider velocity window in which they expand. That is one reason why so many people are using the Ranger, HST, and Gold Dot bullets, because they've been continually redesigned through the years.
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The reason I carry a .45 is because it's not dependent upon expansion. If it expands, great, if it doesn't, the hole will still be .45". A big, heavy bullet is guaranteed to give good penetration, so I use 230s, regardless of barrel length. I don't want to give up penetration in exchange for the promise of greater expansion with a light bullet.
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The Federal Classic JHP is what our department carried. It is good consistant accurate round.
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We had this discussion at our local match range. The argument was to classify all calibers as 'minor' scored due to the advancement of expanding bullets. I felt this was backward and voted against the change. If anything, they should be classified as 'major' if people feel a 9mm will be as effective as a 45.
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I have nothing against .45 acp FMJ hardball ammo. Our military has used it quite effectively for 100 years. However, if I have modern .45 acp ammo available today that will reliably expand to .68 -.70 caliber upon impact, why not use it? I would use the Federal Hydrashok ammo in question but probably in a pistol with at least a 4.5 inch barrel like a Glock 21, Springfield Armory XDM 45 or a model 1911 with a 5 inch barrel. To each their own, but I want to feel completely confidant in the ammo I carry. If the round that hit Richard Gable Stevens in the chest had expanded, all of that energy would have been dumped into his chest cavity (instead of passing all the way through), and the wound canal would have been half again larger. The probability of it being a fatal shot would have increased dramatically. The taxpayers of California would have saved a lot of money and we would never have to worry about Stevens murdering someone again.
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About the .45 hole compared to the .35 hole...understandable. Much like the .35 hole compared to the .25 hole I guess.
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Interesting story for sure. It is also why (not the story) I do not carry a 45 anymore.
I carry a 357 Sig, it may or may not be better, but at least have a gun you can shoot well.
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http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_De...icturerev3.jpg Heck there are 9mm loadings that expand to a total diameter as much as, and in some cases more than, the expanded diameter of the insurmountable 45 ACP. Quote:
I have nothing against the 45 ACP, it's a blast to shoot and I own just as many 45s as 9mms. But the idea that a 45 is a man shooter while a 9mm is a pea shooter is just laughable. Edit: Below is an interview with an officer surviving 7 shots with a 45 ACP and continuing the fight to take out his attacker. The first shot on the officer was to his face. http://www.policeone.com/suspect-pur...n-jared-reston
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It sounds to me (the anecdotal story) if true the round did its job.
Perp was incapacitated and follow up shots if needed (scrambling after gun) would have been enabled as the perp no longer had the gun or was fully functional. You can't ask more from a pistol round of any type than that. People seem to think there is some magic bullet tht will kill someone istnaly. The ony time that is true is if said beullet removes someting significan (20mm cannot shell that takes off an entiere limb or head shot). And does anyone really thing a sub sonic 45 round is going to care if its 3.5 or 4 inches? My brother personally knows of a nut case who shot a co-worker (not at work). The perp had a 44 magnum, co worked had a high capacity 45. Cor worker took 4 rounds of 44 magnum and lived, the perp took 8 rounds of 45 and died. There is no magic formula. Good shooting is prime. Sometimes if you don't get good shot placement, quantity will suffice. All this nonsense about double taps etc is just that. You keep shooting until the person you are shooting is 1. No longer functional (dead or incapacitated) 2. Is deemed no longer a threat 3. You have to deem them either 1 or 2 per above and shift to another person who is threatening you as the higher risk has shifted. Like most things you make your best decisions and hope it works out. Sometimes you do it all right and still it doesn't. Stack your odds as much in your favor as possible and get on with the rest of your life. |
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What a great story. Aside from what caliber you're shooting, real life situations always change what one thinks is going to happen.
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