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January 3, 2013, 08:11 AM | #26 |
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There are actually two bills. Here are links to the full text of both:
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/full...ID=11&Session= http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/full...ID=11&Session= The ban would not take effect until January 1, 2014 and would not apply to weapons purchased before that date. Prohibited guns could be sold to an individual in another State, FFL holders, or passed on to relatives after death. The bills establish some pretty draconian requirements for public gun ranges. Both bills talk a lot about a "Firearm Owners Identification Card" not sure if that is something new or is a current requirement. There is no requirement to turn in prohibited guns that were purchased before ban takes effect. |
January 3, 2013, 08:35 AM | #27 |
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Watching the local news show last night here in Rockford, IL made me almost physically ill. The anchor was almost dancing with glee announcing this almost total gun ban being proposed by the President of the Illinois Senate. Even if it does not pass into law I wish I could sell my home and get out of this horrible state. In truth I sometimes wish I could get out of this country as well, but where would I go? I served in the U.S. Army for 24 years and have been a taxpayer for the last 48 years and this is not the country that it once was, and will likely never be again. If this draconian gun control bill actually becomes law it will be another nail in the coffin of America. I'm sure that Obama and his cronies in Washington are just jumping for joy at what is being proposed in Springfield since he clearly supports any bill that restricts or bans gun ownership. Watch as he tries to get the Senate during this coming year to ratify the anti-gun U.N. treaty that he has stated he admires.
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January 3, 2013, 09:20 AM | #29 |
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Lemme get this straight.....
Chicago just got their hands spanked in McDaonald v. Chicago ..... so IL is doubling down? Really?
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January 3, 2013, 09:30 AM | #30 |
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The antis introduce magazine/assault weapons ban bill every year in IL. None have ever come close to passing, so they decided to make the bill even more draconian. I guess it makes perfect sense, if you're a politician from Chicago.
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January 3, 2013, 10:12 AM | #31 |
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I've often wondered about the practice of issuing a license or permit to own or carry a gun. The Right to keep and bear arms is a Right not a privilege. I don't know of any other Right guaranteed by the constitution that requires a license to exercise that Right.
It seems to me that requiring a license to own or carry a firearm is an infringement on the Right to keep and bear arms. The second amendment seems pretty clear to me, it is not ambiguous, it does not contain any type of exception, or requirement. It just says the Peoples right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Why is that so hard to understand? |
January 3, 2013, 10:25 AM | #32 |
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The problem is and remains as I see it that places like Chicago seem to not care very much what any court said... They change some super minor thing and re-implement laws that are substantially the same as the ones that get killed by the courts...
They also play the "No One has Standing" game and spin things to the point that they actually try to sell that they are protectors of gun rights... Pathological liars tell more truth than some of these antis, everything they do concerning guns is in bad faith.. Its not that the city of Chicago doesn't know it is in violation of the Bill of Rights and our gun rights under it, its they simply don't care... Short of a enforced injunction, I don't think they will ever quit unless the SAF can sue the city budget out of existence..
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January 3, 2013, 11:16 AM | #33 |
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It passed in the committee 6-4, and will be heard today on the Senate floor.
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/st...ringfield.aspx |
January 3, 2013, 11:28 AM | #34 |
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...and a State Senator could introduce a bill that would seek to force everyone to move to Mars, I doubt it would pass either though.
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January 3, 2013, 12:53 PM | #36 |
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Do you think the anti's in congress are asking IL to flaot this bill out there to get a feel of how the country feels on this ? They do that from time to time . They need to get an idea how far they can push this whole debate .
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January 3, 2013, 02:11 PM | #37 |
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seems like they are trying to ram this thru before anything can be done. and the old ask for the moon and settle in the middle still stinks. I am pulling for you guys in ILL.
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January 3, 2013, 02:29 PM | #38 |
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News just came out that theyre delaying the vote on that measure for lack of votes. FYSA.
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January 3, 2013, 04:01 PM | #39 |
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Looks Like Good News Tonight!
http://qctimes.com/news/state-and-re...a4bcf887a.html
In spite of the hysteria from Chicago, the Dem's just couldn't "get 'er done!"
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January 3, 2013, 04:17 PM | #40 |
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Dems pull plug on gun and ammo ban.
Gary beat you to it.
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January 3, 2013, 04:53 PM | #41 |
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Some politicians get a lot of donations from anti-gun groups. They have to appear to be doing something, for those donors. The sponsors of that bill knew it was going no where and if by some miracle it did go through, the courts would likely strike it down.
Just hang tough Illinois brothers, the clock is ticking, you'll be legally carrying concealed before you know it. Without having to bargain, with people who have nothing to bargain with.
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January 3, 2013, 08:29 PM | #42 |
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FOID has been law since at least 1968, and in many ways it is a good requirement. What irritates me is when criminals who haven't an FOID are not held accountable specifically for this violation of law.
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January 4, 2013, 04:12 PM | #43 |
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I don't know many people are here in IL, but the fight is far from over.
ftp://12.43.67.2/legislation/97/SB/0...2899ham001.htm That's the newest piece of legislation. They lost in the Senate, so now they are moving to the House. That amendment contains what the two previous bills did, almost word for word. http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index...howtopic=32929 We seriously need to light up the phone lines now. http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index...pic=32913&st=0 If you guys need numbers or other information, let me know. Send e-mails, but more importantly make phone calls and fill up their voicemails. We seriously can't let up on this or they will take everything away. If you think this doesn't concern you, you're wrong. I have no doubt in my mind that Illinois is being used as a guinnea pig for what the US Congress will be trying to do. |
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Further proof to me that the law is there to discourage gun ownership and to make criminals of the law abiding .... why would they charge a criminal with further crimes? They already have them under their thumb ...... |
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January 4, 2013, 04:57 PM | #45 |
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Phone calls expressing opposition to "assault weapons" bans can be directed to the guys pulling the strings in Illinois:
Mayor Emanuel: (312) 744-3300 Gov. Quinn: S'field: (217) 782-0244, Chicago: (312) 814-2121 Speaker of the House Madigan: Springfield: (217) 782-5350, Chicago773) 581-8000 I know it won't change minds, but it sure gave me a nice warm feeling to let them know not everyone shares their opinion. |
January 4, 2013, 04:58 PM | #46 |
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Don't forget guys, this is the time to also call your specific state representatives (for the Illinois state house and the US house) to tell them how you feel about this. The more people we can get, the better. It made a big difference last time and I know it's ammo that the NRA and other groups representing us will definitely need.
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January 6, 2013, 10:16 AM | #48 |
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I woke up to this today..
http://www.examiner.com/article/illi...y-gun-ban-vote Looks like IL just won't stop. The previous bills were introduced into the Senate and got nowhere, so now they put one into the House. FYI to the Illinois guys. |
January 6, 2013, 10:47 AM | #49 |
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By any means necessary, the did say...
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January 6, 2013, 01:30 PM | #50 |
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If anyone from IL is interested go to IllinoisCarry website and then to the forums - then go into the Illinois Politics forum - there you will find information about the bills and contact information as well as links to filing witness slips to oppose the bills - There are 3 bills
The primary bill is : SB2899 Secondary are two bills that would broaden mental health restrictions to include not only individuals hospitalized but also individuals who visit an outpatient mental health clinic regardless of the reason. Don't see a counselor for family problems or depression or you would lose your rkba under these bills - HB1237 SB3489 According to the NRA lobbiest on the ground who has worked there for years the issue is in doubt - so phone calls, emails, witness slips are needed. |
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