00 vs 000 buckshot

customaquatics · September 18, 2011, 03:09 PM

well you guys asked for it so i did it. if someone wants to help me upload pics that would be awsome but i did a 4 shots of 00 3 inch magnums an 4 shots of 000 3 inch magnums from a 2011 model mossberg 500 12 gauge an the result goes to the 00 buckshot as it doesn't rise as high from center point as it did with the powerful 000 buckshot. if someone wants to text me 2, 0ne, 7- 2, one, 3- 4, zero, 6, four i can send the pics if you want to upload them for me. my fone wont allow me to upload them.

idek · September 18, 2011, 06:45 PM

Could you give the brand/line of shells you were using as well?

customaquatics · September 23, 2011, 06:47 AM

the remington 3 inch mag's in both loads. an i still need someone to help me upload pics.

myshoulderissore · September 23, 2011, 09:49 AM

Text sent.

myshoulderissore · September 23, 2011, 10:14 AM

Uploaded. Boom.

customaquatics · September 23, 2011, 11:27 AM

the 00 buckshot:

the 000 buckshot:

rantingredneck · September 23, 2011, 11:42 AM

1) If you're using 3" magnums in both guns, one is no more "powerful" than the other. The shot charge weight and velocity are going to be about the same (some small differences may be present, but not enough to matter one way or the other).

2) The small difference you see between POI of the 00 vs. 000 can be explained by effects other than differences in barrel rise based on "power".

3) The 000 patterned tighter (it appears) from your barrel than did the 00.

4) I'd expect the difference in pattern size, the shooter, and random chance are the reason for the 000 pattern hitting slightly higher than the 00.

5) Based on these results I'd go with the 000 load based purely on the pattern...........

What is your intended purpose for the loads you are selecting here? Hunting? Home Defense? Both?

customaquatics · September 24, 2011, 04:07 AM

this was a requested thread from my "intruder stopper" thread. when i shot i put the bead directly on the center. everyone has there own opinion's but to me it seemed the 00 buckshot didn't rise up as bad as the 000 did.

Lee Lapin · September 24, 2011, 09:35 AM

I see pictures of a coupla pieces of paper with a buncha holes in 'em. Doesn't tell me much of anything beyond that. That's what shotguns with buckshot DO after all, make a bunch of holes in things.

Knowing what pattern a single round of a given load will consistently yield, out of a given shotgun at a given range, is useful information. What does your shotgun and your chosen load do at 3 yards? At 5 yards? At 7 yards? And so on.

What does the total payload of that 00 buck load weigh? How about the 000 load? How many pellets in each load? What's the muzzle velocity of each? How does each one pattern at different ranges?

Using up ammo to learn something useful is a good thing. Otherwise, it's pretty much just an exercise in converting expensive ammo into noise, as far as I can tell.

lpl (old phart buzzkill stick in the mud)

customaquatics · September 25, 2011, 03:45 AM

00 buckshot holds 15 pellets an 000 buckshot holds 10

youngunz4life · September 25, 2011, 04:01 AM

THANK YOU

by your pictures and your testimony, I would agree with you. I think the easier control you had is more important than a negligible 'shot group' difference during a home defense situation, but I enjoyed reading all of the responses. Also&in my opinion, you can have valid testing even if every variable isn't covered. That's not to say that a similar test won't yeild different results or end up different for someone else either though.

TylerD45ACP · September 25, 2011, 06:57 AM

Id get some 000B for flavor like I have some #4B and #1. I stil mostly with 00 Buck you really cant go wrong with a good 12 pellet load.

September 23, 2011, 06:47 AM	#3
customaquatics Senior Member Join Date: March 13, 2011 Location: illinois Posts: 678	the remington 3 inch mag's in both loads. an i still need someone to help me upload pics. __________________ 23 year old NRA member AKaholic #158907 , 1942 Ex-Sniper Izzy Mosin Nagant, 1970's Marlin 30-30, Remington 870 tatical, Charter Arms The Pink Lady 38 Special.

September 23, 2011, 10:14 AM	#5
myshoulderissore Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2010 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 447	Uploaded. Boom. Last edited by myshoulderissore; August 11, 2012 at 09:26 PM.

September 23, 2011, 11:27 AM	#6
customaquatics Senior Member Join Date: March 13, 2011 Location: illinois Posts: 678	the 00 buckshot: the 000 buckshot: __________________ 23 year old NRA member AKaholic #158907 , 1942 Ex-Sniper Izzy Mosin Nagant, 1970's Marlin 30-30, Remington 870 tatical, Charter Arms The Pink Lady 38 Special.

September 23, 2011, 11:42 AM	#7
rantingredneck Senior Member Join Date: January 12, 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,728	Some thoughts......... 1) If you're using 3" magnums in both guns, one is no more "powerful" than the other. The shot charge weight and velocity are going to be about the same (some small differences may be present, but not enough to matter one way or the other). 2) The small difference you see between POI of the 00 vs. 000 can be explained by effects other than differences in barrel rise based on "power". 3) The 000 patterned tighter (it appears) from your barrel than did the 00. 4) I'd expect the difference in pattern size, the shooter, and random chance are the reason for the 000 pattern hitting slightly higher than the 00. 5) Based on these results I'd go with the 000 load based purely on the pattern........... What is your intended purpose for the loads you are selecting here? Hunting? Home Defense? Both? __________________ NRA Member NC Hunter's Education Instructor PCCA Member (What's PCCA you ask? <- Check the link)

September 24, 2011, 04:07 AM	#8
customaquatics Senior Member Join Date: March 13, 2011 Location: illinois Posts: 678	this was a requested thread from my "intruder stopper" thread. when i shot i put the bead directly on the center. everyone has there own opinion's but to me it seemed the 00 buckshot didn't rise up as bad as the 000 did. __________________ 23 year old NRA member AKaholic #158907 , 1942 Ex-Sniper Izzy Mosin Nagant, 1970's Marlin 30-30, Remington 870 tatical, Charter Arms The Pink Lady 38 Special.

September 18, 2011, 03:09 PM	#1
customaquatics Senior Member Join Date: March 13, 2011 Location: illinois Posts: 678	00 vs 000 buckshot well you guys asked for it so i did it. if someone wants to help me upload pics that would be awsome but i did a 4 shots of 00 3 inch magnums an 4 shots of 000 3 inch magnums from a 2011 model mossberg 500 12 gauge an the result goes to the 00 buckshot as it doesn't rise as high from center point as it did with the powerful 000 buckshot. if someone wants to text me 2, 0ne, 7- 2, one, 3- 4, zero, 6, four i can send the pics if you want to upload them for me. my fone wont allow me to upload them. __________________ 23 year old NRA member AKaholic #158907 , 1942 Ex-Sniper Izzy Mosin Nagant, 1970's Marlin 30-30, Remington 870 tatical, Charter Arms The Pink Lady 38 Special.

September 18, 2011, 06:45 PM	#2
idek Senior Member Join Date: August 20, 2009 Posts: 903	Could you give the brand/line of shells you were using as well?

September 23, 2011, 09:49 AM	#4
myshoulderissore Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2010 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 447	Text sent.

September 24, 2011, 09:35 AM	#9
Lee Lapin Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2004 Location: SE NC Posts: 1,239	I see pictures of a coupla pieces of paper with a buncha holes in 'em. Doesn't tell me much of anything beyond that. That's what shotguns with buckshot DO after all, make a bunch of holes in things. Knowing what pattern a single round of a given load will consistently yield, out of a given shotgun at a given range, is useful information. What does your shotgun and your chosen load do at 3 yards? At 5 yards? At 7 yards? And so on. What does the total payload of that 00 buck load weigh? How about the 000 load? How many pellets in each load? What's the muzzle velocity of each? How does each one pattern at different ranges? Using up ammo to learn something useful is a good thing. Otherwise, it's pretty much just an exercise in converting expensive ammo into noise, as far as I can tell. lpl (old phart buzzkill stick in the mud) __________________ Mindset - Skillset - Toolset. In that order! Attitude and skill will get you through times of no gear, better than gear will get you through times of no attitude and no skill.

September 25, 2011, 03:45 AM	#10
customaquatics Senior Member Join Date: March 13, 2011 Location: illinois Posts: 678	00 buckshot holds 15 pellets an 000 buckshot holds 10 __________________ 23 year old NRA member AKaholic #158907 , 1942 Ex-Sniper Izzy Mosin Nagant, 1970's Marlin 30-30, Remington 870 tatical, Charter Arms The Pink Lady 38 Special.

September 25, 2011, 04:01 AM	#11
youngunz4life Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2010 Location: United States of America Posts: 1,877	THANK YOU by your pictures and your testimony, I would agree with you. I think the easier control you had is more important than a negligible 'shot group' difference during a home defense situation, but I enjoyed reading all of the responses. Also&in my opinion, you can have valid testing even if every variable isn't covered. That's not to say that a similar test won't yeild different results or end up different for someone else either though. __________________ "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" -Admiral Farragut @ Battle of Mobile Bay 05AUG1864

September 25, 2011, 06:57 AM	#12
TylerD45ACP Senior Member Join Date: July 16, 2010 Posts: 1,654	Id get some 000B for flavor like I have some #4B and #1. I stil mostly with 00 Buck you really cant go wrong with a good 12 pellet load.