MAIG Email Trail

**Tom Servo** · January 10, 2014, 12:32 AM

There have been some questions about the exact relationship between Michael Bloomberg's New York City Hall staff and his employees at Mayors Against Illegal Guns. Judicial Watch obtained over 500 pages of emails through an FOIA request, and they have it posted here [huge pdf file].

The chain of emails begins a couple of hours before the Sandy Hook shootings on December 14, 2012 and continues through January. Their intention to take control of the debate, even before the White House and Congress have had a chance to respond, is almost immediately apparent:

Page 44 has a testy exchange with Dan Gross of the Brady Campaign, in which there's a great deal of bickering over who gets to control the narrative. John Feinblatt (notice the cityhall.nyc.gov address) tries to make peace by assuring Gross that "there will be plenty of opportunities for everyone."

It's a lot to sift through, but here's the general agenda they were hashing out:

It's a ton of stuff to read, but I'll post more if anything stands out.

Kappe · January 10, 2014, 10:12 AM

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Establish a process for which the existence of these guns will be reduced and eventually eliminated from the civilian gun stock in the future.

Ohhhh boy.

CowTowner · January 10, 2014, 10:32 AM

Sure would be nice if the MSM would beat them over the head with all this.
(I know, not gonna happen)

**Aguila Blanca** · January 10, 2014, 12:17 PM

It sure would be nice if the new mayor of New York City would roll a few heads over the use of city personnel, time and equipment to promote and pursue a non-city, political objective.

I'll ask the local airport to watch their radar for porcine flying objects ...

BarryLee · January 10, 2014, 12:43 PM

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It sure would be nice if the new mayor of New York City would roll a few heads over the use of city personnel, time and equipment to promote and pursue a non-city, political objective.

Whether the new Mayor pursues this on a national level like Bloomberg did remains to be seen, but it’s hard to imagine he’ll be any less harmful to freedom and gun rights. Of course apparently his first order of business is the banning of horse drawn carriages from Central Park, so who knows maybe he’s got more important issues to deal with.

Ben Towe · January 10, 2014, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo

The chain of emails begins a couple of hours before the Sandy Hook shootings on December 14, 2012 and continues through January.

I assume (hope) you mean after, Tom?

Bartholomew Roberts · January 10, 2014, 09:33 PM

Really interesting reading. On the one hand, I'm grateful they completely misunderstand their opponent to a shocking degree. And I'm grateful they were thoughtful enough to document all this information for us.

It should show the extent of the threat we face though. If these people were even marginally competent we would have a bigger problem than we do.

**Tom Servo** · January 10, 2014, 10:31 PM

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I assume (hope) you mean after, Tom?

Nope, before. It looks like the FOIA request covered the whole day of the 14th.

Bartholomew Roberts · January 11, 2014, 07:57 PM

What a huge source of info... Budgets, names, organization, future strategies, etc.

I like the part where their proposed poll has "CONSIDER A "TABLE SETTING QUESTION HERE" in caps... Just in case you thought they wanted honest opinions.

Colt46 · January 12, 2014, 04:45 PM

But nice to see them providing their own rope.

Armorer-at-Law · January 13, 2014, 11:29 AM

This is an expose of huge importance -- that will never be mentioned by the MSM.

BarryLee · January 13, 2014, 01:14 PM

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This is an expose of huge importance -- that will never be mentioned by the MSM.

Yes, I’m not really sure how this information will really impact the overall debate. Basically it reinforces what many 2A supporters already suspected and will probably simply be dismissed by many of the anti-gun folks.

Sadly I suspect most of the undecided out there will simply listen to what the various talking heads tell them and move on to some pop culture happening.

Wreck-n-Crew · January 13, 2014, 01:50 PM

The one thing noticeable is how quick they were planning to exploit it, how exited they were to have it (the shooting). The day of the shooting (page 7) Carney states to give grief time, discuss how to use it later. Why would that not be a given? (not a ?)

Starting the day after plans of attack go into motion on page 14. Including the use of survivors for TV adds. Not hard to see the lack of real care about the victims/families from the get go other than how useful they would be towards their agenda.

Bartholomew Roberts · January 13, 2014, 03:18 PM

Here is a great interview with Cam Edwards on the topic:
http://youtu.be/wZAekralCdM

The Judicial Watch rep points out that similar behavior may have occurred in other cities that have joined MAIG - meaning there could be as many as 800 additional opportunities to gain inside information and expose political corruption. He recommends that if your mayor is a member of MAIG that you make use of your local Freedom of Information laws to request similar information from your local government.

January 10, 2014, 12:32 AM	#1
Tom Servo Staff Join Date: September 27, 2008 Location: Foothills of the Appalachians Posts: 13,059	MAIG Email Trail There have been some questions about the exact relationship between Michael Bloomberg's New York City Hall staff and his employees at Mayors Against Illegal Guns. Judicial Watch obtained over 500 pages of emails through an FOIA request, and they have it posted here [huge pdf file]. The chain of emails begins a couple of hours before the Sandy Hook shootings on December 14, 2012 and continues through January. Their intention to take control of the debate, even before the White House and Congress have had a chance to respond, is almost immediately apparent: Page 44 has a testy exchange with Dan Gross of the Brady Campaign, in which there's a great deal of bickering over who gets to control the narrative. John Feinblatt (notice the cityhall.nyc.gov address) tries to make peace by assuring Gross that "there will be plenty of opportunities for everyone." It's a lot to sift through, but here's the general agenda they were hashing out: It's a ton of stuff to read, but I'll post more if anything stands out. __________________ Sometimes it’s nice not to destroy the world for a change. --Randall Munroe

January 10, 2014, 10:32 AM	#3
CowTowner Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2007 Location: Cowtown of course! Posts: 1,747	Sure would be nice if the MSM would beat them over the head with all this. (I know, not gonna happen) __________________ NRA Chief Range Safety Officer, Home Firearms Safety, Pistol and Rifle Instructor *“Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life......”* President John F. Kennedy

January 12, 2014, 04:45 PM	#10
Colt46 Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: Campbell Ca Posts: 1,090	Not a real surprise But nice to see them providing their own rope.

January 13, 2014, 11:29 AM	#11
Armorer-at-Law Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 2002 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 465	This is an expose of huge importance -- that will never be mentioned by the MSM. __________________ Send lawyers, guns, and money... Armorer-at-Law.com 07FFL/02SOT

January 13, 2014, 01:50 PM	#13
Wreck-n-Crew Senior Member Join Date: March 8, 2013 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,820	The one thing noticeable is how quick they were planning to exploit it, how exited they were to have it (the shooting). The day of the shooting (page 7) Carney states to give grief time, discuss how to use it later. Why would that not be a given? (not a ?) Starting the day after plans of attack go into motion on page 14. Including the use of survivors for TV adds. Not hard to see the lack of real care about the victims/families from the get go other than how useful they would be towards their agenda. __________________ If you ever have to use a firearm, *you don't get to pick the scenario!*

January 10, 2014, 12:17 PM	#4
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,468	It sure would be nice if the new mayor of New York City would roll a few heads over the use of city personnel, time and equipment to promote and pursue a non-city, political objective. I'll ask the local airport to watch their radar for porcine flying objects ...

January 10, 2014, 09:33 PM	#7
Bartholomew Roberts member Join Date: June 12, 2000 Location: Texas and Oklahoma area Posts: 8,462	Really interesting reading. On the one hand, I'm grateful they completely misunderstand their opponent to a shocking degree. And I'm grateful they were thoughtful enough to document all this information for us. It should show the extent of the threat we face though. If these people were even marginally competent we would have a bigger problem than we do.

January 11, 2014, 07:57 PM	#9
Bartholomew Roberts member Join Date: June 12, 2000 Location: Texas and Oklahoma area Posts: 8,462	What a huge source of info... Budgets, names, organization, future strategies, etc. I like the part where their proposed poll has "CONSIDER A "TABLE SETTING QUESTION HERE" in caps... Just in case you thought they wanted honest opinions.

January 13, 2014, 03:18 PM	#14
Bartholomew Roberts member Join Date: June 12, 2000 Location: Texas and Oklahoma area Posts: 8,462	Here is a great interview with Cam Edwards on the topic: http://youtu.be/wZAekralCdM The Judicial Watch rep points out that similar behavior may have occurred in other cities that have joined MAIG - meaning there could be as many as 800 additional opportunities to gain inside information and expose political corruption. He recommends that if your mayor is a member of MAIG that you make use of your local Freedom of Information laws to request similar information from your local government.