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December 26, 2012, 12:21 PM | #1 |
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Smith & Wesson 22 A vs. Ruger Mark III
Anyone have experience with the Smith? Is it in the same league as the Ruger? I was gonna get the Ruger when I stumbled upon the Smith.
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December 26, 2012, 08:58 PM | #2 |
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Both are good. The 22a is slightly more forgiving on ammo and is much easier to disassemble. I like the appearance of the Ruger better and doesn't require the replacement of a plastic recoil buffer periodically. Both are more accurate than the holder.
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December 26, 2012, 09:52 PM | #3 |
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The Smith has a really nice trigger, it's easy to disassemble, and the bolt area is open on both sides so it's easy to tell whether the action is clear from a distance. It's designed such that the barrel can be easily replaced without gunsmithing, although few 22A shooters seem to attempt this, presumably because the barrels are supposedly quite expensive. Finally, it has a ready-mounted scope rail out of the box; only a few MkIII variants come with one pre-installed, and it was not included with a few models the last time I checked, although it's been a while.
The main disadvantages of the Smith are the large and bulbous grip, a few cheap touches, fair-to-middling fit and finish on the cheaper versions (at least the ones I've examined), and a peculiar mag release button that's notoriously unkind to shooters with long fingernails. The plastic recoil buffer requires replacement every few thousand rounds; replacements are quite cheap, but some people seem to dislike this on principle. Finally, it has relatively little aftermarket support compared to the Ruger. FWIW I went to a show a while back with the intention of buying a 22A, but came home with a Ruger MkII. Although both work well for punching holes very close together on distant pieces of paper, I ultimately bought the Ruger because it has more of a "Real Gun" feel to it.
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December 26, 2012, 09:56 PM | #4 |
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I have the Ruger MK II and I love it, very accurate and no picky about which ammo I feed it. I have shot a friends 22A and its a nice gun, but I prefer the Ruger MK II. I do noit find it very hard all to take down and clean.
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December 26, 2012, 10:09 PM | #5 |
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I looked at the Ruger and went with the S&W. The main factors for me were the $$ and the grip. I liked the feel of the grip better than the Ruger. I have really enjoyed it.
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December 27, 2012, 02:55 AM | #6 |
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For a while I had a Ruger MKII target and a S&W 22A. I found that I shot the 22A at least twice as much as the Ruger so I traded the MKII for a MKIII 22/45. Still shoot the 22A more but the Ruger is set up for speed with a trimmed barrel and porting so they both fill a different niche. Actually the 22A fills 2 niches since I have a 5inch barrel with a red dot for plinking and a 7 inch with a 4X scope for squirrel hunting. I don't plan on getting rid of either.
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December 27, 2012, 06:00 AM | #7 |
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The Ruger is rugged and tough and the S&W is a POS.
One extremely accurate POS - but - a POS. (I have two Mark II .22/45's and a Mark II "slabside" also.) I have the 22/s, which is the stainless version of the 22/a. My setup is similar to OkieCruffler's w/the red dot and scope on those barrels. I also have a 5.5" Bull barrel w/open sights. The S&W will outshoot anything in .22 in my safe from a rest - including the rifles. On the plus side, the S&W has a lifetime warranty should any of the cheesy parts break. The irony is that my "rugged Ruger Mark II "slabside" is the gun that's got three broken parts & the POS S&W only has a chewed up plastic buffer.....go figure.... |
December 27, 2012, 09:18 AM | #8 |
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Ive been looking at these 2 for a 22 pistol (as well as the Buck)... It also seems like the Ruger is pretty customizable... I'm leaning towards the Ruger
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December 27, 2012, 10:09 AM | #9 | |
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The Buck and the 22A are designed in such a way that the barrel can be changed without affecting the serial-numbered frame, so there are no extra legal hoops to jump through. Barrels can be bought and sold without FFL transfers and they're mailable. One thing I forgot to mention about the 22A is that the scope rail and sights are integral with the barrel unit; look closely at OkieCruffler's picture. The nice thing about this design is that the barrel can be swapped without having to sight it in afterwards. OkieCruffler: Speaking of which, do you mind sharing the amount you paid for the second barrel?
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December 27, 2012, 10:14 AM | #10 |
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I paid $99.00 each for the two barrels I bought for my 22/s some ten years ago.
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December 27, 2012, 10:50 AM | #11 |
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Seems like I paid right around $150 for my 7 inch barrel. Which is pretty steep if you consider I paid $99 for the 22A.
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December 27, 2012, 11:05 AM | #12 |
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The Ruger will be more robust, and just as accurate.
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December 27, 2012, 12:05 PM | #13 |
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The Ruger is made of steel.
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December 27, 2012, 02:03 PM | #14 | |
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I'd say the Ruger edges over many manufactures including the S&W when it comes to action reliability/ feeding/ ejec. etc. |
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December 27, 2012, 02:12 PM | #15 |
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Of those two, I'd have to vote for the Ruger Mk III or 22/45. Either one will be more than accurate enough to shoot NRA bullseye, and with care, last a lifetime. If you think you'd like to change grips or internal parts to improve the trigger, than I'd vote for the Mk series. Many more accessories out there than for the 22/45 so far.
The Smith 22A isn't a bad choice, but not quite the equal. |
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December 27, 2012, 05:02 PM | #17 |
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Find a Ruger MKII in good condition and it will last a lifetime, or get a Buckmark. The Smith is OK, but not in the league of the Ruger or Browning Buckmark.
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I have not experience with the S&W 22a.
I will say that many Ruger owners mention that they are more customizable. This is true. However, that adds to the total cost of the gun. |
December 27, 2012, 08:25 PM | #19 |
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mark iii
Mark iii hands down its a tank shoots everything you put in it and is accurate.
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All 4 suffered from the Ruger "after thought feed ramp"...the little piece of the reciever that Ruger stamps out and calls it a feed ramp. My one .22/45 Mark II is worlds better about it than the other three - but - even it will hic up sometimes on less than 40 grain hollow points. OTOH - my 22/s doesn't care what it gets fed. None of my Buckmarks do either, nor does my CZ Kadet, my High Standard or my Ciener .22 conversion. Having said that.....I like and shoot my one Ruger .22/45 Mark II more than all the other .22 pistols I own. |
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December 27, 2012, 10:28 PM | #21 |
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Whats a good price for a used Mark III or a used 22/45?
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December 27, 2012, 11:52 PM | #22 |
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Lots of different varieties out there on both styles, but if you choose the shorter, bull barrel of either one, even NIB the 22/45 should run around $300-325, and the Mk III about $50 more at most. Most of the used ones I've seen recently at gunshows tend to be, IMO, overpriced.
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December 28, 2012, 09:22 AM | #23 |
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I had a Mk II with the pencil barrel but traded it since I wanted a threaded barrel and it was far cheaper to buy a Buckmark whisper that was already threaded. The threaded alloy uppers and/or integral suppressors for the Ruger are awesome but not cheap.
I'm loving the Browning but I've always got my eye skinned for a good deal on another Ruger. I wouldn't even consider a Smith.
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On the topic of threaded barrels... I believe that a factory threaded barrel unit for the 22A would be a great idea and would increase the market potential of the pistol. (S&W Management, Are You Listening?)
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December 28, 2012, 09:44 AM | #25 |
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I've had good luck with the Rugers for years. MK I, II, and III. They all just shoot. I don't believe you can wear one out.
I've been tempted to buy a 22/A a couple of times, just for grins and giggles, and because they used to be fairly inexpensive, but just never could get by the (to my eyes) funny look.
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