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April 28, 2013, 02:49 AM | #1 |
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My Snub barrel S&W 1917 revolver project.
Hi guys. Been away from this site for awhile. Been busy with other things.
Got my S&W 1917 snubby barrel project finished. Had one major accident on the mill though that you will see in a minute. The below two photos were from the auction where I purchased the 1917. As you can see the barrel has been cut, it has no front sight, is rusty and is locked up because of a bent ejector rod. It had genuine India Sanbar stag grips on it. So that was a plus. But I don't care for them so I took them off and put some nice fat Jay Scott grips on it to better fill my big hands. Probably will sell the Sanbar stag grips since they are worth about $150.00 The first thing I did was acquire and install a new (old stock) ejector rod. Then I took it all apart, cleaned it, installed some Wolf replacement springs to lighten the trigger and hammer, and highly polished it as you can see below..... Continued next post. .
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One of the members (Jack the toad) from another site (the S&W forum) sent me a shot out rifling snubby barrel from a 1917 he had, and I heated up the front sight and removed it from its silver solder to go onto my snubby barrel. Of course I had to file a flat onto my barrel for it to go on to, just like it had been on the shot out rifling barrel. Here's that front sight removed from the old shot out barrel.... I had tried attaching the front sight to my barrel with J&B weld epoxy, but trust me, that doesn't work and it came off the first time I fired the revolver. That brings us up to date on my previous work. Below is my latest progress on the project. Finally got the front sight tig WELDED (not silver soldered) on. I wanted it to be as strong as possibly held to the barrel so instead of silver soldering it on, it was tig welded on with a nickel steel rod. And yes I did remove the ejector rod's front lug's spring before welding and replaced it afterwards. In fact I removed the ejector rod and cylinder too when it was welded. Here's a few pics of that before I ground down, filed, sanded and polished the welds.... Now for the major accident I had in the mill. The end of the barrel was jest a leetle off and not square from where it had been cut, so I was doing a leetle trim on the end of the barrel. Everything else was about done and this accident was right at the end of the project. Isn't that always the way? The revolver slipped in the vice and before I could shut the mill down, the mill bit danced all down the right side of the barrel putting deep multiple cuts in it and took out a chunk of the receiver where the barrel screws in too! Needless to say I was sickened to see that happen. Continued next post. .
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But not to worry, about an hour and a half of tig welding later filling in all the cuts on the barrel and the chunk taken out of the receiver, and careful tig welding to preserve the seam where the barrel screws into the receiver at that cut out chunk point on the receiver, and everything was filled in again. Then disk sanding and filing and sandpapering and polishing again until you can't tell that accident ever happened. Whew! I can tell you though,...I was sweating it, those were some bad cuts on the barrel and chunk taken out of the receiver. But the repair came out okay and nothing was deep enough to cause any operational problems, it was mainly cosmetic, but MAJOR league cosmetic. Here's what it looks like now. Careful tig welding and filing to get the seam of the barrel to the receiver back correct where that chunk had been cut out by the mill accident.... More of the same from further out.... Overall view of previously damaged right side of barrel now fixed. Front sight attachment/welding, filing and polishing came out nice didn't it?...... Side views of revolver today. Continued next post. .
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It is "in the white" but highly polished. To anyone who doesn't know what "in the white" means, that means it doesn't have any finish of any kind and the metal is bare. The snubby barrel is exactly 3 & 1/2 inches long. There are a few little spots I will continue to polish out and later I might even send it out to get it nickel plated. But for the most part, I think now, I can say the project is finished. It has taken me a while to get back to it, and it has been polished like that in the white for over a year and no rust of any kind has formed on it. Must be that the highly polishing of the bare steel, helps keep rust from having a place to form. I don't know for sure, but it hasn't rusted any at all. Kind of like it that way, but might get it nickel plated one day. I am really happy about how the welding on attaching the front sight came out. If it hadn't been for that bad mill accident I would have been finished a day sooner. I am happy overall with it. Compared to what she looked like when I got her, she's a gem today. I'll post an update on its accuracy when I shoot it soon, and we will see if the welding of the barrel pulled the barrel any, but it was kept cool with a compressed air nozzle between each and every weld on each cut on the barrel and receiver, so it didn't get too overheated. Can't wait to test it out shooting. .
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April 28, 2013, 05:01 AM | #5 |
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Nice outcome Bill. I had a similar project piece long gone now based on a very rough $100 Brazilian. And similarly, the smith had a shop accident and gouged the cut bbl stub. He did a porting on the bbl to cover the blunder. Manufactured a ramp sight for the bbl and reblued her. Made a nice truck piece.
Again, congrats. PS. It begs for a custom Tom Threepersons.
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April 28, 2013, 06:26 AM | #6 |
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Nice work
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April 28, 2013, 06:30 AM | #7 |
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That's a fine looking 1917. Good work.
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April 28, 2013, 09:16 AM | #8 |
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That's an impressive welding job on the barrel.
My main concern is, though, that with cuts that deep and the amount of heat you've flushed into the barrel along its entire length you may have weakened it significantly.
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April 28, 2013, 10:40 AM | #9 |
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Should havd used analuminum rod.
inside the bore to draw heat away faster, with the compressed air on that.
Do you have access to a testing lab that can do a hardness test, either Brinnell or Rockwell A, test some other ares of the top strap and lower crane/frame ares and then the welded areas and compare. You MAYBE safe but try and confirm. Nicely done tho! |
April 28, 2013, 12:47 PM | #10 |
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Have you tried any blueing on the nickel weld?
I took some Winchester parts in for repair, the end cap for the magazine had some goon twist the screw slot out (no reason to ever put a screwdriver in it, it isnt threaded). The helpful guy at the welding shop did me a big favor and used a really strong nickel welding rod to strengthen the repair on the end cap. The nickel weld wont blue. The cap is now "fixed", but unusable.
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I don't fancy the high polish finish but it's your gun and you seem to favor it, so more power to you. I have one of these but the barrel is 3-3/8". I would prefer the honest 3-1/2" you have. Apples and oranges I guess. (smile)
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Here's a double shoulder holster rig I created to hold two of my S&W 1917's by using two 1917 holster reproductions, and using parts from two Sam Browne belts. The waist rig is my double 1912 holster rig for my parkerized auto ordinance and my stainless hi cap para ordnance. All .45 acp's of course. Quote:
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nice work... personally I probably would have swapped the barrel out after the "accident" but you seem to have both the patience & skill to fix the issue...
I like the high polish, & can see the nickel if it's a gun you plan to carry often, but if it's an occasional use gun, that thing would look awesome in a deep high polish blued finish... BTW... I might be interested in the stag grips, for my 1917, if you still have them ???
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Nice work. If you want a durable finish that has the look of nickel or your in-the-white polish job, you might consider bright chrome.
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Beautiful piece, beautiful work.
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Very, very nice work!!!
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I Like it...A lot.
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April 30, 2013, 12:07 AM | #19 |
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Hard to believe it's the same gun, even after the milling accident. I may have just given up and cut it in half. You did a very nice job saving that piece.
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Helluva save, Bill, nice work! Love the leather, too!
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"I don't shoot plus p's in any of my old 1917's and with the relatively low pressure and velocities of the .45 acp, I think I'll be okay."
There have been concerns with the standard hardball load in the M1917 S&W for decades, almost from the time of inception for the gun. Most resources recommending not shooting hardball .45 ACP through them because of the increased pressure and wear. A number of sources have theorized over the years that the very generous chamber throats on the M1917 were one way of reducing chamber pressures. Most loading manuals show .45 Auto Rim loading information at reduced velocities with lead bullets. I woudn't be worried about the barrel blowing out catastrophically, but I would be concerned with it possibly bulging if you've compromised the "native" hardening that was worked in when the barrel was made.
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The stag grips are "Sambar," not "Sanbar."
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Bill,
Nice set of shoot'en irons but... I just use one at a time! Deaf
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I admire the perseverance and great results!
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