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January 16, 2021, 11:15 AM | #1 |
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Dealers? Are prices rising or dealer gouging?
I am seeing stripped lowers I've $200, just saw a range sell 50 rounds of loose likely reloaded 9mm to a lady for $35. What give? I know there are shortages but dang. Garden variety Glocks nesting $800. Just wow.
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January 16, 2021, 12:00 PM | #2 |
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Wake up to the typical gun panic norm. No such thing as price gouging, and it's a free market when the masses of panic stricken buyers are willing to pay whatever the asking price is for a "non-necessity" type item.
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January 16, 2021, 12:31 PM | #3 |
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The best way to avoid gouging is to not buy from the gougers and rip off people and make them keep their wares until such time as they lose money on transactions. There are still honest retailers out there that have stood the test of time and elections with fair prices when they have supply.
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January 16, 2021, 02:15 PM | #5 |
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My LGS just sold out of stripped lowers @$49.99. 20round boxes of 5.56 are $8.99.
As their cost of goods rises, they raise prices to keep the same margins. Cant ask for more then that in these times. |
January 16, 2021, 04:35 PM | #6 |
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No gouging; you either agree to the price asked or you don't; no matter which, there is no gouging. With the advent of possible new laws disallowing ANY internet sales of anything gun related; I would venture some of these small time guys are trying to make as much as they can because their business model of using the internet is about to go away.
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January 18, 2021, 06:15 PM | #7 |
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I am not a dealer but I know one at a large store. When I spoke with him a couple of months ago, he told me his cost of 9mm and 223 had gone up over 300% since last year.
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Had the day off today so I went window shopping. One dealer has a pretty good sized shop, but only had about 12 handguns. They were logging in about 2 dozen Anderson Stripped lowers. They had over dozen AR's on the way and a bunch of upper and small parts.
Next shop had maybe 6 AR's and a good selection of ammo for $1 per round. He said their supplier doubled their prices last week. I notices that some .22 Bricks are going for over $100 for 500 rds. I am afraid that ammo prices are going to keep climbing. KYgunco still has pretty good prices on AR's.
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January 18, 2021, 10:08 PM | #10 |
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Manufacturer to wholesaler to retailer have gone up a little. retailer to end user have gone up a LOT. All of the panic, new gun owners, worries what the new administration will do is fueling demands like they had in WWII without the capability of meeting the demand. IF political things remain unchanged, it should take 6 months to a year before things settle down.
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January 19, 2021, 10:00 AM | #11 |
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I check the bigger online sites most every day yes prices keep going up . But i see a trend a lot of firearms are not being bided on anymore . I think it is to things new buyers have already bought a firearm . And the people that have years in the sport they already have firearms and will not pay the high prices .
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Spot on
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Spot on and I would add that these days exceed the norm and not typical for the panic buying. These days are the worst that I have ever seen and can only pray that we all will see better days on all fronts. ..... Keep the faith and; Be Safe !!!
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January 19, 2021, 03:22 PM | #13 |
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We've been getting "gouged" since McDonalds burger went over $.20 and a gallon of gas passed $.40 (in other words, since the price rose from what it was when I first started buying them).
What's your point?
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January 19, 2021, 07:55 PM | #14 |
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Reading another "why is everything so expensive ?" thread makes me just want to go hug my comfortable stash of primers...
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How about 13 cent gasoline and 7 cent hamburgers? On the other hand, when I look at the numbers of (net-after-tax) hours of work that it takes to buy 50 rounds of XXX ammo then vs. now, it's a bargain now compared to 50+ years ago. But I won't do business with graber of guns or an ammo/optics websites at any price now or in the future, both who have business practices I don't believe (IMHO) are ethical.
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January 19, 2021, 09:37 PM | #16 |
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We will soon find out who made a prudent purchase with the new admin, who wasted money on something that will be taken away and who just got gouged caught up in the panic mentality.....
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January 20, 2021, 11:27 AM | #17 |
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I can buy pistol "A" for $349.00 at a big box dealer. (This is MSRP) I can drive 12 miles, and find same pistol in a shop for $569.00 - would that be gouging? - But in NY, I can't blame them - they gotta make some money before Cuomo's taxing and over-regulation force everyone out of business. (Note - I bought 3 of 'pistol A' at the lower price - but if I couldn't find it - I MAY have went for the higher priced one.)
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The price of goods is usually set by supply and demand. When demand goes up with no increase in supply, the flow of goods will be regulated by: (1) a shortage because all available supplies were purchased likely by those without an actual need for the purchased amount of product (toilet paper anyone); government or private sector limits on the purchase (only allowing the purchase of a certain amount of a commodity); or (3) an increase in price so that consumption matches the actual need for the commodity.
As prices rise those without a perceived need to purchase a product won’t purchase more than is actually necessary thus maintaining a level of supply to meet needs. Guns and ammo are somewhat unique because most purchases aren’t made to meet an actual need. I don’t blame those with product for increasing prices. If you have only a certain amount of product and can sell it for more than normal why should you sell it at below market value? |
January 20, 2021, 08:23 PM | #19 |
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Always fascinating to see supposedly free-market advocates using words like "gouging" "rip-off" etc
You snooze you lose... and no I'm not the slightest bit sorry if my saying that hurts anyones feelings Just a fact of life Everyone has effectively had the same opportunity to buy when things were plentiful and "cheap" If you chose not to buy or couldn't, say due to finances, thats not my or anyone else fault I've been flipping stuff like crazy on various auction sites the last few months Penny start and no reserve Things like Maks I bought ages ago for under $100, selling today for $600+ WASR's that people were LOLing at when priced under $300, selling today for 3-4x So am I gouging? Am I ripping anyone off? And I'm not a dealer trying to keep a business afloat or employees on the payroll They have even more reason to raise list prices and I doubt most are making all that much "profit" given low supply
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January 21, 2021, 12:12 AM | #20 |
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Depending on how long ago you bought stuff, what you paid for it, and what you are selling it for you might not actually be making as much money as it appears because a dollar many years ago is worth more than a dollar today. You have to consider the time value of money.
If you took $100, invested it 20 years ago, and obtained a 10% return you would have about $670 today. You might ultimately be losing money on selling firearms. Now if you bought a rifle for $100 three years ago and sold it for $600 today you’ve made a considerable return on investment. With few exceptions guns are a notoriously poor investment and the value of which can’t generally be counted on to keep up with inflation. They tend to fluctuate in price wildly depending on the legal and regulatory environment or the gun owners/purchasers perception of any potential changes to it. |
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TBM900: That was very clear and to the point.
1,000 rds. of Tula 7.62x39 in September at JGSales (they have a website) was $380. Now, the same case of fmj Tula is priced at $620!! Somehow demand pushed the price throttles a second time into afterburner (85% nozzle openings, min.). So glad to have begun gradually storing the stuff months before the election in 2008, and ever since. Sometimes good advice is Good Advice, whether viewed with indifferent disregard or not, as if risky medication of many kids had stopped, thereby preventing > the chance < of any more school shootings and the resulting panics? Last edited by Ignition Override; January 21, 2021 at 06:13 PM. |
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January 21, 2021, 02:59 PM | #25 |
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I haven’t purchased ammo in a couple of months. At $1/rd for.223/5.56 it’s an easy pass. I understand panic buying but dang, you’d have to have some serious disposable income to pay that kinda dough for ammo. My cutoff was around.75/rd
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