Class 3 auto question

MDS · January 17, 2010, 03:02 PM

1) Would a full auto SBR require two tax stamps?

2) Just for clarification a person cannot build a full auto? It has to be purchased this way, correct?

3) An NFA tax stamp in Ohio, would trump municipality law?

Ok three questions.

Ridge_Runner_5 · January 17, 2010, 03:09 PM

Machine guns only need one stamp. Barrel can be as long or as short as you want.

Individuals cannot manufacture new automatic weapons after May 1986. Only companies registered with the ATF may, and only for military/law enforcement use.

You are governed by your local laws. If your county/city says no SBRs/full autos/etc, then you cannot own one, regardless of federal law.

Willie Lowman · January 17, 2010, 03:54 PM

Where in Ohio are you and what are you looking to buy?

MDS · January 17, 2010, 05:44 PM

Columbus. I have a couple of AR-pistols that I would like to turn into SBR's. However I was wondering if at some point I was able to get my hands on a full auto, swapping the standard upper with the short upper, would be an issue given that it is only stamped as a full auto.

LukeA · January 17, 2010, 05:56 PM

An MG lower can have any upper you want on it. The MG stamp negates the need for the SBR stamp.

MDS · January 17, 2010, 05:59 PM

Thanks for the feedback, just out of curiosity would that apply to a supressor as well?

David Hineline · January 17, 2010, 06:49 PM

Silencers are their own device and need the tax stamp separate.

Speaking only of your AR pistols, as there are many other guns. You can SBR both pistols, then you can buy one DIAS or Link that was registered as a machinegun properly before 1986 and use this conversion device to move back and forth into either of your guns. If you do not have the separate SBR registration then the conversion device must stay in that one only host weapon as once you remove it you have created an unregistered SBR.

If you intend to convert only one firearm with the conversion device and are happy to leave it in that one gun then no SBR registration is required.

Before you get all giggle excited, a registered conversion device is going to cost about half as much as a new car.

MDS · January 17, 2010, 08:23 PM

Thanks for the info. It helps

Willie Lowman · January 18, 2010, 01:25 AM

If you are in Columbus, go check out Aumiller's gun shop in Westerville.

I think the guy is a ass but that is a personal thing. He does have a nice gun shop and a good number of transferable full auto guns for sale. The last time I was in there he had an M16 for sale (12,000 bucks if I recall)

January 17, 2010, 03:02 PM	#1
MDS Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 492	Class 3 auto question 1) Would a full auto SBR require two tax stamps? 2) Just for clarification a person cannot build a full auto? It has to be purchased this way, correct? 3) An NFA tax stamp in Ohio, would trump municipality law? Ok three questions.

January 17, 2010, 03:09 PM	#2
Ridge_Runner_5 Senior Member Join Date: February 8, 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,925	Machine guns only need one stamp. Barrel can be as long or as short as you want. Individuals cannot manufacture new automatic weapons after May 1986. Only companies registered with the ATF may, and only for military/law enforcement use. You are governed by your local laws. If your county/city says no SBRs/full autos/etc, then you cannot own one, regardless of federal law.

January 17, 2010, 03:54 PM	#3
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 3,006	Where in Ohio are you and what are you looking to buy?

January 17, 2010, 05:44 PM	#4
MDS Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 492	Columbus. I have a couple of AR-pistols that I would like to turn into SBR's. However I was wondering if at some point I was able to get my hands on a full auto, swapping the standard upper with the short upper, would be an issue given that it is only stamped as a full auto.

January 17, 2010, 05:56 PM	#5
LukeA Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2009 Posts: 542	An MG lower can have any upper you want on it. The MG stamp negates the need for the SBR stamp.

January 17, 2010, 05:59 PM	#6
MDS Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 492	Thanks for the feedback, just out of curiosity would that apply to a supressor as well?

January 17, 2010, 06:49 PM	#7
David Hineline Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 1999 Location: South Sioux City, Nebraska Posts: 704	Silencers are their own device and need the tax stamp separate. Speaking only of your AR pistols, as there are many other guns. You can SBR both pistols, then you can buy one DIAS or Link that was registered as a machinegun properly before 1986 and use this conversion device to move back and forth into either of your guns. If you do not have the separate SBR registration then the conversion device must stay in that one only host weapon as once you remove it you have created an unregistered SBR. If you intend to convert only one firearm with the conversion device and are happy to leave it in that one gun then no SBR registration is required. Before you get all giggle excited, a registered conversion device is going to cost about half as much as a new car.

January 17, 2010, 08:23 PM	#8
MDS Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 492	Thanks for the info. It helps

January 18, 2010, 01:25 AM	#9
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 3,006	If you are in Columbus, go check out Aumiller's gun shop in Westerville. I think the guy is a ass but that is a personal thing. He does have a nice gun shop and a good number of transferable full auto guns for sale. The last time I was in there he had an M16 for sale (12,000 bucks if I recall)