December 21, 2008, 08:18 PM | #1 |
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why so much $$$$$$
why is it so much to convert a 10-22 ruger and ect to a full auto ?
8-10 k? its a 200.00 dollar gun at best . |
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Because registration of new machine guns for the civilian market was halted in 1986.
Every year, there are more and more people with more and more money chasing a fixed supply of machine guns. It's economics 101; the same reason original '63 Stingrays and Honus Wagner baseball cards never get any cheaper. |
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Because they are worth it!
Nah, just like Tamara said. Good old supply and demand warped by an obnoxious and illogical law.
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Because
Because it's been 22yrs since thier production was banned, not long enough for the original owners of such items to die, but long enough for thousands of potential new owners to turn 21 and decide they want these.
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When you purchase a full-auto firearm, for example a full-auto AR15, here's the break down of what you are paying for:
AR15 host gun - $1,100 M16 Auto parts $ 120 DIAS (sear) - $ 10 Government Tax Stamp $200 Paperwork that will keep you out of prison for owning it $13,000 Think about it - how much are you going to have to pay that lawyer to defend you if you get caught with a full-auto unregistered M16? And, what do you think your chances will be that he will get you off? And, what do you think your chances will be that you get to keep your gun or any of the parts you paid for? $13,000 starts to look like a pretty darn good deal, doesn't it! |
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FOPA '86 was a slow-motion ban on full-auto.
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Are you telling me that if someone had their $14,000 serial numbered Registered DIAS destroyed, that they won't make a replacement and slap a seriel number on it? Of course I would never do such a thing..... |
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But if I were a RDIAS owner I think I'd be investing in many of the upgrades to reinforce and make it last before letting it go kaput.
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For that matter, can someone machine an AC556 receiver with a little square milled out so that the seriel number from the broken receiver can be welded in place? Just how far can you go to fix a registered full-auto receiver? I don't think this has really been tested yet, but as the prices of AC556's, DIAS's get into the $20,000 and $30,000 price range, I think this kind of thing will eventually happen. People might be willing to walk away from a $3,000 investment in a firearm, but who's going to be willing to walk away from a $30,000 + investment in a firearm that goes kaboom? |
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Ever take a full auto to your friendly neighborhood gunsmith?
You're looking at this backwards. "Why would they bother" should be replaced with "what's to stop them from" changing a small rule here or there and confiscating your gun. If you've had your head in the sand you might believe they're just trying to keep us all safe from the bad guys with machine guns, but that's NOT what the former revenooers are there for, and it will get MUCH WORSE over the near future. |
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1986 was such a bad year.
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I was thinking about the legalities of if your lower is destroyed on an AR, then contact a manufacturer and order another with your own serial number, same as the old one...destroy the old one and you have a brand spankin new lower registered to fire full auto...
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You could probably get away with it if you found someone willing to do it but I doubt you'd want to advertise doing it.
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Hopefully most folks here at least are familiar with JPFO's production, "The Gang", so that I am not forced to try to explain here yet again about how the ATF should not exist.
Old broken machine gun parts ARE machine guns, and you will go to jail for giving them to somebody the ATF doesn't approve of. I have NO personal experience at this, I'm passing on the OVERWHELMING opinion of folks who I believe did know what they were talking about. Of course there's no consistency to it, that's part of the danger of this rogue gov't agency. |
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And unfortunately, like most folks just doing their job, they will violate your constitutional rights because their boss told them to.
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Whatever the details may be, the bottom line is, rogue agency. None of this is Constitutional.
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As Carl Sagan so aptly said: "Extraordinary Claims, require extraordinary evidence...."; which "strawman" & "red-herring" type arguments probably don't qualify as, as dramatic & cool as they may sound. Anyway I think we have drifted a little off course from the OP....
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Yep, along with the attempt at the last word (which you may now have freely).
As I said earlier see JPFO's "The Gang" for your info. It takes more than a sound bite to explain the truth after decades of indoctrination. |
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