Hard to draw!

ZVP · February 12, 2014, 02:56 AM

I simply love my Uberti London model .36 cal Navy!
My only complaint is that loooong barrel!
Drawing it from a Hip holster has to be an excercize in ftustration!
To draw, you need to bend your elbow tio it's limit, which is a very slow move to say the least!
A far better holster is a cross-draw.
Less movement and the revolver can easilly be cocked during the draw. even a 5 1/2" barrel is very slow.
I doubt very many "Pistelero's used hip holsters.
They carry nice but that's about it.
How do you carry tour full size Navy Model?
Yes I realize that there weren't that many quick draws back then.
Thanks,
BPDave

Hawg · February 12, 2014, 05:32 AM

High on the right hip with a slim jim, butt facing the rear. Full length barrels.

DD4lifeusmc · February 12, 2014, 08:59 AM

I make an adapter that will fit most holsters and standard belts
that will lower the holster between 2 and 3 inches.
Non permanent put it on take it off whenever.
Probably not good for fast draw but fine other wise.
PM me if you want a picture and pricing
I rarely use it myself as I am tall enough I have no trouble and don't
fast draw anyway.
My normal holster is quite short and is a highride custom I made for myself
as a Concealed carry for the 5.5 inch Remington c&B

jimbob86 · February 12, 2014, 09:12 AM

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How do you carry your full size Navy Model?

Crossdraw.

Chestnut Forge · February 12, 2014, 09:37 AM

I darn near put my back out when I draw my Walker in a regular holster. Bought a cheap nylon crossdraw for hunting.

bedbugbilly · February 12, 2014, 11:41 AM

I carry mine in a RH Slim Jim that I made on a 2 1/4" belt . . . in the same manner as Hawg describes . . . . . the nice thing about it is that it can be slid around to the left easily for a cross draw as well . . .

If you don't have or haven't seen a copy of "Packing Iron" . . . try and hunt one up. You''ll see that there were many varieties of holster designs used from Slim Jim to full flap to half flap, etc. A great book on vintage leather - it holds a permanent place on my leather working bench.

Enjoy that London!

Kappe · February 12, 2014, 12:32 PM

I use a cheapo Civil War 1860 Army holster (fits my Navy just as well) that I cut the flap off of, on a 1 3/4" jeans belt.
Right hip, butt forward, regulation twist-draw. Best way in my opinion to draw a long-barreled revolver.

Just make sure your range officers won't give you any trouble over it. Fortunately mine don't.

Driftwood Johnson · February 12, 2014, 01:06 PM

Howdy

I discovered (or re-discovered) a long time ago that trying to draw a long barreled revolver from a strongside, straight draw holster is an exercise in getting my elbow tangled into my armpit. I shoot two Colt Single Action Army revolvers in CAS, one has a 7 1/2" barrel, the other has a 4 3/4" barrel. I would show you a photo of my gunbelt but photobucket seems to be acting up these days. My gunbelt is a Duke rig, which among other things means the holsters ride high on the belt.

The short pistol rides on my strongside (right), the 7 1/2" incher rides butt forward on my weak side (left). Reaching across by belly prevents getting the elbow tangled in the armpit with the long barreled Colt.

royal barnes · February 12, 2014, 02:00 PM

"Less movement and the revolver can be easily cocked during the draw"????!!!!

44flattop · February 12, 2014, 03:23 PM

Never had any trouble drawing a 7.5-8" single action. Although a crossdraw or cavalry twist draw does make things a little easier.

Noz · February 12, 2014, 04:43 PM

The Cavalry twist draw is poetry in motion when done right. I can't.
I shoot 5.5" barrels on 1860 armys Two straight draw holsters.

Fingers shoots full length pistols out of slim jims riding high on his belt.

jimbob86 · February 13, 2014, 11:51 PM

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Right hip, butt forward, regulation twist-draw. Best way in my opinion to draw a long-barreled revolver.

Correct me if I've the wrong idea what you are gettin' at ..... but what is "best", or made better, or, hell, even remotely "good" about point one's shootin' iron at one's own lower midsection while drawing a gun quickly? On my list of Bad Things, shooting m'self in the nethers is right up t'ward the top ....... Injury on top of Insult.

Kappe · February 14, 2014, 12:20 AM

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Correct me if I've the wrong idea what you are gettin' at ..... but what is "best", or made better, or, hell, even remotely "good" about point one's shootin' iron at one's own lower midsection while drawing a gun quickly? On my list of Bad Things, shooting m'self in the nethers is right up t'ward the top ....... Injury on top of Insult.

I do not sweep my body nor anybody else using the twist-draw method. I'll direct you to duelist1954's video demonstrating it.
http://youtu.be/dYrE7e1VmgY?t=35s

That said, there certainly are unsafe ways to do it. This movie clip demonstrates one way NOT to do it, which is probably the way you're imagining.
http://youtu.be/zGCwGrpcH1U?t=53s
It goes by fast, but you can see that the actor briefly sweeps his midsection during the draw.

Not that it matters one way or the other (in my opinion) considering with a SA revolver the gun is mechanically incapable of firing until the hammer is cocked, at which point the gun should be aimed downrange.

Hawg · February 14, 2014, 05:32 AM

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Not that it matters one way or the other (in my opinion) considering with a SA revolver the gun is mechanically incapable of firing until the hammer is cocked, at which point the gun should be aimed downrange.

I've seen some people so safety anal they get bent when looking down the muzzle in a picture.

Idaho Spud · February 14, 2014, 01:55 PM

ZVP, maybe you need to get a rig like Monty Clift had in "Red River".

shafter · February 15, 2014, 02:56 PM

How the bloody devil does someone manage to sweep their midsection with a cross or twist draw? I can't even make it happen unless I try to do so with some absurdly exaggerated attempt to cover myself.

Kappe · February 15, 2014, 04:01 PM

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How the bloody devil does someone manage to sweep their midsection with a cross or twist draw?

With a twist-draw, by swinging the revolver up laterally. It's an easy mistake to make if you're paying more attention to speed than doing it correctly.

In a proper twist-draw the gun should only be rotated along the axis of the bore.

shafter · February 21, 2014, 11:41 AM

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With a twist-draw, by swinging the revolver up laterally. It's an easy mistake to make if you're paying more attention to speed than doing it correctly.

I suppose, but I would think it would be a whole lot easier to make that mistake with a shorter barreled gun, otherwise you'd be whacking your ribs!

swathdiver · February 24, 2014, 01:10 AM

Take an inch off the barrel and try it out again.

44flattop · February 24, 2014, 10:49 AM

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Correct me if I've the wrong idea what you are gettin' at ..... but what is "best", or made better, or, hell, even remotely "good" about point one's shootin' iron at one's own lower midsection while drawing a gun quickly? On my list of Bad Things, shooting m'self in the nethers is right up t'ward the top ....... Injury on top of Insult.

If you're sweeping yourself you're doing it wrong.

jaxenro · February 24, 2014, 03:56 PM

I'd bet most pistoleros went into a gunfight with the gun already out. Unless it was a hideout of some type or they got jumped.

The holster was to protect the revolver not speed thd draw

shafter · February 24, 2014, 05:34 PM

I think people carried guns and used holsters for the same reason we do today. For self protection. Someone who carries a handgun for self defense doesn't know when he will need it. The holster needs to carry the gun securely and enable to user to retrieve it quickly if necessary. Same as we do today.

While the scene of two "gunfighters" meeting each other in the street at high noon might be laughable, the idea of one or both participants in a gunfight drawing their guns at a moments notice is certainly plausible. The only thing that has changed is technology - better guns, better holsters.

44 Dave · February 24, 2014, 11:05 PM

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I have been carrying a 7 1/2" barreled Navy for the last few weeks in a shoulder holster under my winter coat, don't think a fast draw is going to happen ,gloves and all, but it is nice to have that big iron under my arm.

February 12, 2014, 02:56 AM	#1
ZVP Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2009 Posts: 1,102	Hard to draw! I simply love my Uberti London model .36 cal Navy! My only complaint is that loooong barrel! Drawing it from a Hip holster has to be an excercize in ftustration! To draw, you need to bend your elbow tio it's limit, which is a very slow move to say the least! A far better holster is a cross-draw. Less movement and the revolver can easilly be cocked during the draw. even a 5 1/2" barrel is very slow. I doubt very many "Pistelero's used hip holsters. They carry nice but that's about it. How do you carry tour full size Navy Model? Yes I realize that there weren't that many quick draws back then. Thanks, BPDave

February 12, 2014, 08:59 AM	#3
DD4lifeusmc Senior Member Join Date: October 12, 2012 Location: Wyoming Posts: 351	holster I make an adapter that will fit most holsters and standard belts that will lower the holster between 2 and 3 inches. Non permanent put it on take it off whenever. Probably not good for fast draw but fine other wise. PM me if you want a picture and pricing I rarely use it myself as I am tall enough I have no trouble and don't fast draw anyway. My normal holster is quite short and is a highride custom I made for myself as a Concealed carry for the 5.5 inch Remington c&B Last edited by DD4lifeusmc; February 12, 2014 at 09:06 AM.

February 12, 2014, 09:37 AM	#5
Chestnut Forge Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2013 Location: Polk, Pa Posts: 123	I darn near put my back out when I draw my Walker in a regular holster. Bought a cheap nylon crossdraw for hunting. __________________ Every gun I've been behind can out shoot me.

February 12, 2014, 11:41 AM	#6
bedbugbilly Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2009 Posts: 3,287	I carry mine in a RH Slim Jim that I made on a 2 1/4" belt . . . in the same manner as Hawg describes . . . . . the nice thing about it is that it can be slid around to the left easily for a cross draw as well . . . If you don't have or haven't seen a copy of "Packing Iron" . . . try and hunt one up. You''ll see that there were many varieties of holster designs used from Slim Jim to full flap to half flap, etc. A great book on vintage leather - it holds a permanent place on my leather working bench. Enjoy that London! __________________ If a pair of '51 Navies were good enough for Billy Hickok, then a single Navy on my right hip is good enough for me . . . besides . . . I'm probably only half as good as he was anyways. Hiram's Rangers Badge #63

February 14, 2014, 01:55 PM	#15
Idaho Spud Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2010 Posts: 330	ZVP, maybe you need to get a rig like Monty Clift had in "Red River". __________________ "I should have picked alcohol, drugs, or beating my wife..." Pete Rose

February 12, 2014, 05:32 AM	#2
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	High on the right hip with a slim jim, butt facing the rear. Full length barrels.

February 12, 2014, 12:32 PM	#7
Kappe Senior Member Join Date: May 28, 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 149	I use a cheapo Civil War 1860 Army holster (fits my Navy just as well) that I cut the flap off of, on a 1 3/4" jeans belt. Right hip, butt forward, regulation twist-draw. Best way in my opinion to draw a long-barreled revolver. Just make sure your range officers won't give you any trouble over it. Fortunately mine don't.

February 12, 2014, 01:06 PM	#8
Driftwood Johnson Senior Member Join Date: January 3, 2014 Location: Land of the Pilgrims Posts: 2,033	Howdy I discovered (or re-discovered) a long time ago that trying to draw a long barreled revolver from a strongside, straight draw holster is an exercise in getting my elbow tangled into my armpit. I shoot two Colt Single Action Army revolvers in CAS, one has a 7 1/2" barrel, the other has a 4 3/4" barrel. I would show you a photo of my gunbelt but photobucket seems to be acting up these days. My gunbelt is a Duke rig, which among other things means the holsters ride high on the belt. The short pistol rides on my strongside (right), the 7 1/2" incher rides butt forward on my weak side (left). Reaching across by belly prevents getting the elbow tangled in the armpit with the long barreled Colt.

February 12, 2014, 02:00 PM	#9
royal barnes Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2012 Location: Wendell, N.C. Posts: 189	"Less movement and the revolver can be easily cocked during the draw"????!!!!

February 12, 2014, 03:23 PM	#10
44flattop Junior member Join Date: February 11, 2014 Posts: 106	Never had any trouble drawing a 7.5-8" single action. Although a crossdraw or cavalry twist draw does make things a little easier.

February 12, 2014, 04:43 PM	#11
Noz Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2009 Posts: 643	The Cavalry twist draw is poetry in motion when done right. I can't. I shoot 5.5" barrels on 1860 armys Two straight draw holsters. Fingers shoots full length pistols out of slim jims riding high on his belt.

February 15, 2014, 02:56 PM	#16
shafter Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2009 Posts: 1,624	How the bloody devil does someone manage to sweep their midsection with a cross or twist draw? I can't even make it happen unless I try to do so with some absurdly exaggerated attempt to cover myself.

February 24, 2014, 01:10 AM	#19
swathdiver Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2012 Location: Treasure Coast, Florida Posts: 335	Take an inch off the barrel and try it out again.

February 24, 2014, 03:56 PM	#21
jaxenro Junior Member Join Date: February 23, 2014 Posts: 9	I'd bet most pistoleros went into a gunfight with the gun already out. Unless it was a hideout of some type or they got jumped. The holster was to protect the revolver not speed thd draw

February 24, 2014, 05:34 PM	#22
shafter Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2009 Posts: 1,624	I think people carried guns and used holsters for the same reason we do today. For self protection. Someone who carries a handgun for self defense doesn't know when he will need it. The holster needs to carry the gun securely and enable to user to retrieve it quickly if necessary. Same as we do today. While the scene of two "gunfighters" meeting each other in the street at high noon might be laughable, the idea of one or both participants in a gunfight drawing their guns at a moments notice is certainly plausible. The only thing that has changed is technology - better guns, better holsters.

February 24, 2014, 11:05 PM	#23
44 Dave Senior Member Join Date: February 24, 2013 Posts: 584	DSCN5420.JPG DSCN5424.jpg I have been carrying a 7 1/2" barreled Navy for the last few weeks in a shoulder holster under my winter coat, don't think a fast draw is going to happen ,gloves and all, but it is nice to have that big iron under my arm.