Where Is a moving target range?

us.armysniper · October 12, 2005, 10:37 PM

I ask because that was absolutly the most fun i had at basic trainning at ft. Benning, was on the moving target range. The post i am curently on doesn't have anything even close to the moving green Ivans. i will even be willing to travel one 4 day to go to any that you guys might reccomend, or that you know of. Thanks.

BlueTrain · October 14, 2005, 07:42 AM

It used to be that you had to shoot at a moving target to get your license in Germany and probably some of the Scandanavian countries.

When I took artillery training back in the 1960's, part of the course consisted of direct fire at a moving target and that with a 105mm howitizer. Most fun I ever had.

us.armysniper · October 14, 2005, 07:57 AM

I have shot at moving targets during gunnery with the ol' 25mm bradly chaingun but, I want something that is more of a challenge, though gunnery is about the most fun i have ever had out on a range. Just something about that ump..... ump ump ump ..... ump ump ump !

BlueTrain · October 14, 2005, 12:15 PM

I failed to mention the obvious: I don't know of any range with a moving target. Nor have I heard of one but that doesn't mean there isn't one. You might be able to improvise one if you have a private place to shoot and someone to help out.

Personally, I enjoyed the falling targets used in the army under the system used when I was in. I was amazed that I was able to hit some of the more distant targets and even more amazed that I could miss the closest ones. Sort of over did the holdover or something. I probably would enjoy metallic sihoulette targets (and I hope I spelled that right).

Ledbetter · October 14, 2005, 12:22 PM

At my Gun Club,

http://www.wcgc.org/

we have "Running Deer" shoots, where a deer shaped target is drawn across the 100 yard range on rails and shooters take turns. Semi-autos are allowed.

cabinboy · October 14, 2005, 08:13 PM

We have experimeted with moving Ivans at the RWVA range, but the next shoot with them of which I am aware is out at Camp Guernsey in Wyoming in November. The match director is a great guy, and those Wyoming boys (and girls!) can shoot, fer sure.

Details below:

FALL COMBAT RIFLE MATCH

DATE: 19-20 November, 2005

LOCATION: KD Range, Guernsey, Wy

TIME: 0830 firing commences each day. Report to range NLT 0730.

Entries and Fees: $15.00 per day, $7.50 juniors per day. 5.56mm/7.62 ammunition is included in the entry fee for junior shooters, 18 yrs. old or younger.

Entries to: Mark Spungin
P.O. Box 94
Guernsey, Wy 82214
[email protected]

Saturday, 19 Nov. Semi-automatic Rifles

This will be a fast moving competition/training event. Firing will be from 300 yds to approx. 50 yds. Targets will be Fig. 11 (full silhouette) and Fig. 12 (half silhouette). Positions will be standing, kneeling, sitting and prone. There will be several short sprints. Sufficient opportunity for establishing good zeroes will be provided.
You will need at least 150 rds of ammunition, enough magazines so as to be able to load 60 rds at one time and some form of web gear. Binoculars or preferably a spotting scope will prove to be very useful.
This match is exciting, challenging and will serve to make you much more familiar with your semi-automatic rifle and it's capabilities.

Sunday, 20 Nov., Semi-automatic Rifles (Advanced Marksmanship)

Very similiar to Saturdays match. Firing will be from 500 yds to 100 yds. Targets, positions and ammunition requirements are the same as Saturday.
Due to the relatively small size of the targets, unless one possesses exceptionally keen eyesight, optical sights would be of enormous benefit. These do not have to be megabuck Trijicon or expensive tactical mil-dot (although these work well and bring one if you have one). Some fairly inexpensive scopes designed for the AR-15 style rifles work quite well. Good results have been obtained with Scout mount, long eye relief scopes on M1A rifles.
Binoculars or preferably a spotting scope are absolutely necessary.
Participation in Saturday's match will give one an enormous advantage as this match really starts where that one left off. This match is extremely challenging and will really push your marksmanship skills and abilities.

Camp Guernsey KD Rifle Range: is south of Guernsey, Wy approx. 1 1/2 miles south of Hwy 26 on S. Wyoming Av. Cross the river, go past golf course which will on your left and the obstacle course on your right. (You are now on S. Guernsey Hwy.) When the road makes a sharp turn left (east), turn right through marked gate onto range.
Camping is allowed on range although there is now water, but a porta-potty will be on site.

Motels and campgrounds: Bunkhouse Motel- (307) 836-2356, Guernsey Hotel -2998, Sagebrush Motel- 2331, Town campground-2335.

cabinboy · October 14, 2005, 08:15 PM

Of course, we have popup targets at KD (200/300/400 yards) for each RWVA match, as well. Check out:

www.rwva.org

and
http://rwva.blogspot.com

us.armysniper · October 14, 2005, 09:34 PM

Thanks cabinboy for all the info i sure wish i could make it to that shoot out that sounds like alot of fun!
And that deer shoot sounds too cool i have never heard of anything like that.
Hey bluetrain i know exactly what you mean that was the hardest thing for me in Brm in basic was getting the right amount of holdover. Thanks again for all the responses it is very much appreciated.

Blackwater OPS · October 15, 2005, 08:04 AM

they dont move, they pop up. Are you sure you were on an ARMY post?

us.armysniper · October 15, 2005, 08:13 AM

Yeah high speed, ft.bennings moving target range, while at Infantry school, You might think I am a fake but i ain't stupid. Qual ranges pop-up these were moving in which we used the cco"s to engage with.

Blackwater OPS · October 15, 2005, 08:22 AM

well that sounds like fun anyway. I never got to do that.

us.armysniper · October 15, 2005, 08:56 AM

maybe you went through before i did when they hadn't put it in yet or something!

SFGuy · October 15, 2005, 01:22 PM

Maybe you are a ****in FAKE!

Take care.

sierra11b · October 19, 2005, 12:52 PM

CCO's in basic? Sorta beats the whole purpose of BRM and basic fundamentals, doesn't it?

I went through Army Infantry basic when CCO's were plentiful in the military and never once saw one till I got to the 82nd.

About the most highspeed thing we got to use in basic was the PAQ4c during a nightfire. They only had enough for 4 weapons so we took turns getting a feell for them. Again, I never saw a PAQ4c or PEQ2A until i got to the 82nd.

But maybe things have changed since i went through basic regarding CCO training? Regardless, your range doesn't stack-up.

Where on earth do you get your information us.army"sniper" ??? Do you like what you see in the mirror? At what point in your life did you start to seriously believe yourself?

us.armysniper · October 19, 2005, 03:47 PM

https://www.infantry.army.mil/itb/

Go to this link! go to the left and scroll down to trainning and click. look at week 7 on the trainning calender, there is all you need to know. If you click on the zero and engage targets m16a4 and cco's that will have ever thing you need to know. i trie to get a direct link but it wouldn't work. And if you look to spaces to the right there is the moving target range with cco's!

Capt. Charlie · October 19, 2005, 03:52 PM

While a Navy Gunner's Mate, they had us shoot 5" 54's at a sleeve towed by aircraft on a long cable. On one shoot, the fire control radar started walking up the cable. You should'a heard those guys on the plane!

Weeg · November 8, 2005, 06:29 AM

Hey SF Guy/Blackwater:

I think he may be referring to that Malone (forgot the number) Moving Targets Range that used to be called "the million dollar man"...The green sillhouettes were on tracks behind shallow berms, etc...

legacy94 · November 12, 2005, 09:12 AM

i've seen something like that -"The green sillhouettes were on tracks behind shallow berms, etc..."---on tv.think it was on the military channel.a show om sniper school.

they also showed the new version of those.torso mounted on a actual remote robot that the r/o could move around on the sniper.trains in shooting a target that will change directions.

(i'm sure alot of you have already seen these)

Para Bellum · November 13, 2005, 12:29 PM

..try any IPSC-club. Moving targets are standard there (at least here in Austria)...

newworldCurmudgeon · November 15, 2005, 03:47 PM

Do you have an outdoor range close to you? If you do, talk to the owner/range master to see if you can try this:

get a 4x4 remote control vehicle, modify it with a wooden dowel to hold a balloon (100mph tape works good for this). Tape/Tie a balloon to the dowel, have a buddy drive the car. Cheap man's moving target

Change it up a bit, use two balloons, different colors (1 good guy 1 bad guy)

Use helium balloons, and don't use the dowel, use string really changes the dynamic)

Heck just be creative, improvise adapt and overcome

vttac · November 15, 2005, 09:14 PM

A low tech method I use at my shooting academy.
Make a wagon, put a long rope on it, mount a target on it, get a buddy (standing behind the shooter) to pull the rope. You can have a charging target for handgun or carbine practice. You can also use the same set up for target running across down range by hammering a post in the ground attaching a "D" ring running the rope through it (long rope). Get the puller to stand behind the shooter and pull, The target will run across the field in front of the shooter. Lots of fun and good training. The speed is regulated by the puller and can vary depending on the attitude of the puller. www.vttac.com

But I really am going to try the remote control 4x4 with the balloons. I like that idea.

hayeh · November 15, 2005, 10:12 PM

The Army is too cheap to replace them. The bullet has to "bridge" across a couple of layers of screen wire. If there is a big hole in the center of the target, and your bullet passes thru that hole, the target will not register your shot as a "hit".

newworldCurmudgeon · November 16, 2005, 06:07 AM

Quote:

But I really am going to try the remote control 4x4 with the balloons. I like that idea.

I can not take credit for it. "plug for guns, swat, training, and History Channel"

On the history channel they had a show about the development of swat and police training etc. The went from high tech (areas with big budgets) to low tech (smaller budgets) It was a rural county sherrifs department they highlighted, that recognized the need for training, but they had minimal money, so a couple of the deputies came up with the remote 4x4. I thought the idea was great, they showed a couple of them practicing on the helium balloons, yellow=GG red=BG. Just the slightest breez made a difference on the balloons, their direction etc. Just some good old american boys and girls gittin it done.

October 12, 2005, 10:37 PM	#1
us.armysniper Senior Member Join Date: April 19, 2005 Location: Out of the U.s more than In it! Posts: 248	Where Is a moving target range? I ask because that was absolutly the most fun i had at basic trainning at ft. Benning, was on the moving target range. The post i am curently on doesn't have anything even close to the moving green Ivans. i will even be willing to travel one 4 day to go to any that you guys might reccomend, or that you know of. Thanks. __________________ Sic Vis Pacem, Para Bellum I will Never Forget 16 Aug 2004, Sadr city Iraq

October 14, 2005, 07:42 AM	#2
BlueTrain Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2005 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 6,141	It used to be that you had to shoot at a moving target to get your license in Germany and probably some of the Scandanavian countries. When I took artillery training back in the 1960's, part of the course consisted of direct fire at a moving target and that with a 105mm howitizer. Most fun I ever had. __________________ Shoot low, sheriff. They're riding Shetlands! Underneath the starry flag, civilize 'em with a Krag, and return us to our own beloved homes! Buy War Bonds.

October 14, 2005, 07:57 AM	#3
us.armysniper Senior Member Join Date: April 19, 2005 Location: Out of the U.s more than In it! Posts: 248	I have shot at moving targets during gunnery with the ol' 25mm bradly chaingun but, I want something that is more of a challenge, though gunnery is about the most fun i have ever had out on a range. Just something about that ump..... ump ump ump ..... ump ump ump ! __________________ Sic Vis Pacem, Para Bellum I will Never Forget 16 Aug 2004, Sadr city Iraq

October 14, 2005, 12:15 PM	#4
BlueTrain Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2005 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 6,141	I failed to mention the obvious: I don't know of any range with a moving target. Nor have I heard of one but that doesn't mean there isn't one. You might be able to improvise one if you have a private place to shoot and someone to help out. Personally, I enjoyed the falling targets used in the army under the system used when I was in. I was amazed that I was able to hit some of the more distant targets and even more amazed that I could miss the closest ones. Sort of over did the holdover or something. I probably would enjoy metallic sihoulette targets (and I hope I spelled that right). __________________ Shoot low, sheriff. They're riding Shetlands! Underneath the starry flag, civilize 'em with a Krag, and return us to our own beloved homes! Buy War Bonds.

October 14, 2005, 12:22 PM	#5
Ledbetter Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2000 Location: California USA Posts: 4,533	At my Gun Club, http://www.wcgc.org/ we have "Running Deer" shoots, where a deer shaped target is drawn across the 100 yard range on rails and shooters take turns. Semi-autos are allowed. __________________ Regards, Ledbetter from thefiringline TFL #4573 NRA for Life Winchester Canyon Gun Club for Life

October 14, 2005, 08:13 PM	#6
cabinboy Member Join Date: October 31, 2004 Posts: 61	We have experimeted with moving Ivans at the RWVA range, but the next shoot with them of which I am aware is out at Camp Guernsey in Wyoming in November. The match director is a great guy, and those Wyoming boys (and girls!) can shoot, fer sure. Details below: FALL COMBAT RIFLE MATCH DATE: 19-20 November, 2005 LOCATION: KD Range, Guernsey, Wy TIME: 0830 firing commences each day. Report to range NLT 0730. Entries and Fees: $15.00 per day, $7.50 juniors per day. 5.56mm/7.62 ammunition is included in the entry fee for junior shooters, 18 yrs. old or younger. Entries to: Mark Spungin P.O. Box 94 Guernsey, Wy 82214 [email protected] Saturday, 19 Nov. Semi-automatic Rifles This will be a fast moving competition/training event. Firing will be from 300 yds to approx. 50 yds. Targets will be Fig. 11 (full silhouette) and Fig. 12 (half silhouette). Positions will be standing, kneeling, sitting and prone. There will be several short sprints. Sufficient opportunity for establishing good zeroes will be provided. You will need at least 150 rds of ammunition, enough magazines so as to be able to load 60 rds at one time and some form of web gear. Binoculars or preferably a spotting scope will prove to be very useful. This match is exciting, challenging and will serve to make you much more familiar with your semi-automatic rifle and it's capabilities. Sunday, 20 Nov., Semi-automatic Rifles (Advanced Marksmanship) Very similiar to Saturdays match. Firing will be from 500 yds to 100 yds. Targets, positions and ammunition requirements are the same as Saturday. Due to the relatively small size of the targets, unless one possesses exceptionally keen eyesight, optical sights would be of enormous benefit. These do not have to be megabuck Trijicon or expensive tactical mil-dot (although these work well and bring one if you have one). Some fairly inexpensive scopes designed for the AR-15 style rifles work quite well. Good results have been obtained with Scout mount, long eye relief scopes on M1A rifles. Binoculars or preferably a spotting scope are absolutely necessary. Participation in Saturday's match will give one an enormous advantage as this match really starts where that one left off. This match is extremely challenging and will really push your marksmanship skills and abilities. Camp Guernsey KD Rifle Range: is south of Guernsey, Wy approx. 1 1/2 miles south of Hwy 26 on S. Wyoming Av. Cross the river, go past golf course which will on your left and the obstacle course on your right. (You are now on S. Guernsey Hwy.) When the road makes a sharp turn left (east), turn right through marked gate onto range. Camping is allowed on range although there is now water, but a porta-potty will be on site. Motels and campgrounds: Bunkhouse Motel- (307) 836-2356, Guernsey Hotel -2998, Sagebrush Motel- 2331, Town campground-2335.

October 14, 2005, 08:15 PM	#7
cabinboy Member Join Date: October 31, 2004 Posts: 61	Of course, we have popup targets at KD (200/300/400 yards) for each RWVA match, as well. Check out: www.rwva.org and http://rwva.blogspot.com

October 14, 2005, 09:34 PM	#8
us.armysniper Senior Member Join Date: April 19, 2005 Location: Out of the U.s more than In it! Posts: 248	Thanks cabinboy for all the info i sure wish i could make it to that shoot out that sounds like alot of fun! And that deer shoot sounds too cool i have never heard of anything like that. Hey bluetrain i know exactly what you mean that was the hardest thing for me in Brm in basic was getting the right amount of holdover. Thanks again for all the responses it is very much appreciated. __________________ Sic Vis Pacem, Para Bellum I will Never Forget 16 Aug 2004, Sadr city Iraq

October 15, 2005, 08:04 AM	#9
Blackwater OPS Senior Member Join Date: September 11, 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,152	usarmysniper they dont move, they pop up. Are you sure you were on an ARMY post? __________________ "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin Spc. Jeremy M. Campbell Died 9/1/2005 and the best DS ever MSG Matthew Ritz Died 11.23.2005 matthewritz.com For those who have had to fight for it, Life holds a special meaning that the protected will never know. (\__/) (='.'=) Someone set us up the bunny! (")_(")

October 15, 2005, 08:13 AM	#10
us.armysniper Senior Member Join Date: April 19, 2005 Location: Out of the U.s more than In it! Posts: 248	Yeah high speed, ft.bennings moving target range, while at Infantry school, You might think I am a fake but i ain't stupid. Qual ranges pop-up these were moving in which we used the cco"s to engage with. __________________ Sic Vis Pacem, Para Bellum I will Never Forget 16 Aug 2004, Sadr city Iraq

October 15, 2005, 08:22 AM	#11
Blackwater OPS Senior Member Join Date: September 11, 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,152	well that sounds like fun anyway. I never got to do that. __________________ "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin Spc. Jeremy M. Campbell Died 9/1/2005 and the best DS ever MSG Matthew Ritz Died 11.23.2005 matthewritz.com For those who have had to fight for it, Life holds a special meaning that the protected will never know. (\__/) (='.'=) Someone set us up the bunny! (")_(")

October 15, 2005, 08:56 AM	#12
us.armysniper Senior Member Join Date: April 19, 2005 Location: Out of the U.s more than In it! Posts: 248	maybe you went through before i did when they hadn't put it in yet or something! __________________ Sic Vis Pacem, Para Bellum I will Never Forget 16 Aug 2004, Sadr city Iraq

October 15, 2005, 01:22 PM	#13
SFGuy Junior Member Join Date: October 4, 2005 Posts: 7	Maybe you are a **in FAKE!** Take care.

October 19, 2005, 12:52 PM	#14
sierra11b Junior Member Join Date: September 11, 2005 Posts: 11	CCO's in basic? Sorta beats the whole purpose of BRM and basic fundamentals, doesn't it? I went through Army Infantry basic when CCO's were plentiful in the military and never once saw one till I got to the 82nd. About the most highspeed thing we got to use in basic was the PAQ4c during a nightfire. They only had enough for 4 weapons so we took turns getting a feell for them. Again, I never saw a PAQ4c or PEQ2A until i got to the 82nd. But maybe things have changed since i went through basic regarding CCO training? Regardless, your range doesn't stack-up. Where on earth do you get your information us.army"sniper" ??? Do you like what you see in the mirror? At what point in your life did you start to seriously believe yourself?

October 19, 2005, 03:47 PM	#15
us.armysniper Senior Member Join Date: April 19, 2005 Location: Out of the U.s more than In it! Posts: 248	https://www.infantry.army.mil/itb/ Go to this link! go to the left and scroll down to trainning and click. look at week 7 on the trainning calender, there is all you need to know. If you click on the zero and engage targets m16a4 and cco's that will have ever thing you need to know. i trie to get a direct link but it wouldn't work. And if you look to spaces to the right there is the moving target range with cco's! __________________ Sic Vis Pacem, Para Bellum I will Never Forget 16 Aug 2004, Sadr city Iraq

October 19, 2005, 03:52 PM	#16
Capt. Charlie Moderator Emeritus Join Date: March 24, 2005 Location: Steubenville, OH Posts: 4,446	While a Navy Gunner's Mate, they had us shoot 5" 54's at a sleeve towed by aircraft on a long cable. On one shoot, the fire control radar started walking up the cable. You should'a heard those guys on the plane! __________________ TFL Members are ambassadors to the world for firearm owners. What kind of ambassador does *your* post make *you?* I train in earnest, to do the things that I pray in earnest, I'll never have to do. --Capt. Charlie

November 8, 2005, 06:29 AM	#17
Weeg Senior Member Join Date: November 7, 2005 Posts: 463	Hey SF Guy/Blackwater: I think he may be referring to that Malone (forgot the number) Moving Targets Range that used to be called "the million dollar man"...The green sillhouettes were on tracks behind shallow berms, etc...

November 13, 2005, 12:29 PM	#19
Para Bellum Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2005 Location: right there Posts: 1,882	any IPSC range ..try any IPSC-club. Moving targets are standard there (at least here in Austria)... __________________ Si vis pacem - para bellum If you want peace - prepare for war

November 15, 2005, 03:47 PM	#20
newworldCurmudgeon Member Join Date: September 19, 2005 Location: CENLA Posts: 89	Any Outdoor ranges close? Do you have an outdoor range close to you? If you do, talk to the owner/range master to see if you can try this: get a 4x4 remote control vehicle, modify it with a wooden dowel to hold a balloon (100mph tape works good for this). Tape/Tie a balloon to the dowel, have a buddy drive the car. Cheap man's moving target Change it up a bit, use two balloons, different colors (1 good guy 1 bad guy) Use helium balloons, and don't use the dowel, use string really changes the dynamic) Heck just be creative, improvise adapt and overcome

November 15, 2005, 09:14 PM	#21
vttac Junior Member Join Date: November 14, 2005 Location: Vermont Posts: 5	A low tech method I use at my shooting academy. Make a wagon, put a long rope on it, mount a target on it, get a buddy (standing behind the shooter) to pull the rope. You can have a charging target for handgun or carbine practice. You can also use the same set up for target running across down range by hammering a post in the ground attaching a "D" ring running the rope through it (long rope). Get the puller to stand behind the shooter and pull, The target will run across the field in front of the shooter. Lots of fun and good training. The speed is regulated by the puller and can vary depending on the attitude of the puller. www.vttac.com But I really am going to try the remote control 4x4 with the balloons. I like that idea.

November 15, 2005, 10:12 PM	#22
hayeh Junior Member Join Date: November 15, 2005 Posts: 7	The close range targets are too shot up to "kill". The Army is too cheap to replace them. The bullet has to "bridge" across a couple of layers of screen wire. If there is a big hole in the center of the target, and your bullet passes thru that hole, the target will not register your shot as a "hit".