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July 18, 2011, 01:44 PM | #26 |
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I read the "scenarios" posted occassionally and wonder about those that feel the need to carry 2 pistols and a knife where ever they go, keep a spare loaded pistol on the table when they are cleaning their regular carry in case someone breaks into their house right at that particular moment, or make a water tight panel in their shower for a pistol in case robbers bust through the bathroom door while they bathe. Seems a bit much to me and I don't want to live my life on that "heightened" of a level 24 hours a day. Seems more stressful than necessary. I'm more worried about where our country is headed and what life will be for the next generations. We appear to keep sliding more socialistic year after year.... JMHO
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I agree with the OP, and I'd like to submit an additional thought: it doesn't matter how expensive my gun is, what kind of groups it shot for the guy in the gun magazine, how large the bore is, or how many rounds it holds. What matters is marksmanship. For most people who are serious about carrying for self-defense, the money spent on getting a trigger job, a dehorn treatment, and 14 extra magazines would be much better used on ammunition, range time, and training.
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July 18, 2011, 02:07 PM | #28 |
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Whatchu mean WE?
Drawing conclusions from net noise and the self selected samples that are forum poster populations is just flat out invalid. I do not fit your pigeon holes. I doubt any significant part of the CCW population does. I am, however, amenable to usable data and statistics.
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I can't convince him to change. He takes gun magazine rants as gospel, and he's convinced that when trouble comes to him, hardware will be his solution. Quote:
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It's like that old joke,,,
Anyone who is more tactically aware and prepared than I am,,,
Is a paranoid idiot,,, Anyone who is less tactically aware and prepared than I am,,, Is a danged fool. And my friends,,, While I might chuckle at some posts,,, I really do not feel I can ridicule anyone here for their choices. More often I find myself wondering,,, Does that person who treats each trip to the store,,, As if it were a tactical incursion into an active combat zone,,, Ever get to enjoy a peaceful relaxed moment in their entire lives? I have a range acquaintance,,, At the range I really enjoy his company,,, But this man is so tactically aware he drives me crazy. I've seen him flip open the snap on his retention holster,,, When a car approached the range parking area. He and his wife invited me out to dinner one weekend,,, He called me that afternoon to enquire what pistol I would be carrying,,, He wanted to know so he would be carrying the same caliber that I would have on me. Just in case we got into a prolonged gun battle,,, He wanted to be able to take the ammo from my corpse. When I told him I would probably be carrying my .22 PLY,,, He asked me to consider carrying my .25 PLY,,, His wife had a Beretta .25 she could carry. She is just as tactically ardent as he is,,, They are a perfect couple,,, Of "paranoid idiots". Calling them paranoid idiots was an attempt at wry humor,,, They really are two very good-hearted people,,, Who seem terrified by modern society. They have a panic room,,, Their house is also a fortress,,, Wrought iron bars on all windows,,, An alarm system that would make Fort Knox proud,,, This is beside the fact that each room contains a small arsenal of weaponry. We went to their house for a late lunch one day,,, His wife and I waited in the foyer while he cleared the house. This is their chosen lifestyle. My friends,,, I couldn't live like that. I carry a small pistol most of the time,,, I do this for two reasons,,, Because I can,,, Just in case. Aarond
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Outside of driving back to the house post hurricane Ike, ironically I think I'm the most heavily armed when walking the daughter's wiener dogs. CC + spare clip + pepper spray + phone. Taking short dogs on a long walk requires commitment.
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OP is spot on for the most part. But:
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I carry because I can. I think my wife carries because she couldn't in England, now she can.
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Sounds like there are a percentage of people out there that are a little over the top when it comes to CC, SD and HD. But to pigeon hole conceled carry holders as paranoid is also a tad much. I don't think everyone who owns a gun, owns 37 guns and 900 rds.
I took my CC class so I would be legal doing what I was always doing before. I don't carry. But every vehicle has a weapon in it because I travel a lot. Plus I've been approached by strangers that seemed a little more "on edge" than regular folks. Originally posted by JerryM: Quote:
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Thank you all for your insightful responses. I apologize if I offended some of you by my use of characterizations and stereotypes -- was just trying to build an argument, not trying to pick a fight. And again, my post was directed towards obsessive behavior with regard to firearms as a defensive tool only. Obsessing about guns as a hobby or as a sport -- whole 'nother (fun) subject. Quote:
So the way I see it, there's three types of CCW permit-holders I see on forums like this (which, I agree, tend to be a self-selecting group of enthusiasts): 1. The Myopic: Obsessively prepare for that 0.03% or 0.06% possibility -- go to the range to test out your latest toys, engage in internet wars about caliber sufficiency, get the latest and greatest piece of gear, build your EDC kit like you're in Helmand Province, not Houston, TX...but then ignore the other things in life that are more likely to harm/kill you (car accidents, heart disease, what-have-you). The gentleman Tom Servo described fits this description to a T. 2. The Paranoid: Be paranoid about everything. When it comes to firearms, be like the couple aarondhgraham described. But be consistent, and be like that for everything that's even MORE likely to harm/kill you -- with regard to car safety, always drive under 70mph, never drive on major highways, never drive at night, never leave loose objects in the car; with regard to fire/emergency/disaster preparedness, build a bomb shelter with an independent ventilation system and years of food/water supplies, obsessively recycle so you never have piles of paper/flammable material lying around, rehearse your evacuation plan every other week, never live in an area prone to any type of natural disaster, buy ventilation suits/gas masks, etc; with regard to heart safety, always eat whole bran, never eat French fries, obsessively exercise two hours a day, take a cocktail of Lipitor/Crestor/etc. 3. The Reasonable: Prepare for the highly unlikely (and yet disastrous if it happens) possibility of a defensive gun fight, but only as part of a wholistic regimen of self-awareness and self-preparedness. Get a good, reliable firearm, become as familiar with it as possible, receive some sort of expert training, and continue to maintain a basic level of proficiency -- but then worry about the more likely disasters you may face in your life. ...I'd rather be in the good company of the last group than worry too much about the myopic and the paranoid who scoff and dismiss me as just another sucker/naive sheepie (and not a true sheep dog) with a mouse gun about to be gang-raped by a group of drugged-up crazies tomorrow night. Last edited by anonimoose; July 18, 2011 at 06:23 PM. |
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1. I do not carry for the statiscal gun fight. I carry to have a means of protecting myself in the event of being confronted with a lethal threat. Why do some folks get all caught up in statistics, even to the mth decimal place ?
2. I really do not care what vehicle anyone drives and realize that for me an automobile is simply to get me from point A to point B. I suspect the same is true for most others. Some folks do it with fancy sports cars, some with luxury cars, some with sport utility vehicles. There seems to be a wide varity of colors, shapes, equipment and styles. I think the same is true for firearms and their accoutrements. Why get caught up over it ?
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I hate to say it, but you yourself are not being consistent.
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July 18, 2011, 08:14 PM | #42 |
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Good post OP.
What cracks me up sometimes is the hyper-paranoia or uber gung-ho attitude about Concealed carry and self defense. In my local forum, some people say they wont even open the door to any stranger even in broad daylight (what if its a new neighbor, someone lost, etc). Or they bring 2 guns and 2 knives wherever they go, or they wont go to a bar coz they can't carry there, blah blah blah. Really its about being prepared and using common sense. and your .45cal will have about the same effect as a 9mm; its not a rifle or a shotgun. |
July 18, 2011, 08:46 PM | #43 |
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Great article. Situational awareness and practice drawing from odd positions cannot be over emphasized.
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July 18, 2011, 09:00 PM | #44 |
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Just one time, I'd love to see one of these threads with a complete lack of any of the following accusations about the people on the other side:
Can it be done? Based on available evidence, this old cynic doubts it... Closed. pax |
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