About Nipples

kwhi43 · December 19, 2010, 04:25 PM

Hawg · December 19, 2010, 04:49 PM

Good info but I've only had one revolver that took #11 caps. All the rest took #10 except for one old one that takes #9 which they don't make anymore.

bedbugbilly · December 19, 2010, 09:48 PM

Ooops! Sorry . . . I misunderstood what this post was about!

Hellgate · December 19, 2010, 10:15 PM

Hey,
What's this accusin' me of tellin' all yer secrets and you up and tell on yourself!?!?

Great info sharing. The first time I saw nipples like that was a fellow cowboy action shooter (my friendly competition) who did that to his Ruger Old Army so as to get a lighter hammer pull for faster shooting. Accuracy not being the game in CAS so much as speed and merely making hits on steel.

kadima · December 21, 2010, 06:40 AM

Long, short, skinny or fat. It's a matter of taste....

After all our fathers used to say De gustibus non disputandum est

dalegribble · December 21, 2010, 08:05 AM

one of my most favorite subjects.....wooops, never mind.

Rifleman1776 · December 21, 2010, 10:25 AM

I have never seen that treatment for nipples.
Don't know if it is good or bad. But, if it works for you that is all that counts.
I miss Friendship. Used to live right up the road and spent every weekend at the range with friends. Haven't been there in many years. Miss it.
Good shooting.

a7mmnut · December 21, 2010, 10:34 AM

I've opened mine up to around .050-.060", then ran an 82º countersink into the powder side to improve flame out. Seems to work pretty well. The only problem I've really had with regular BP nipples concerning cap fit are those longer "flame thrower" jobs. All in all, I love all kinds of nipples as well.

-7-

IDAHO83501 · December 21, 2010, 10:35 AM

Be good to them, they'll be good to you

Smokin_Gun · December 22, 2010, 02:27 AM

Wouldn't that cause excessive hammer blowback even with a Remington Mainspring?
It's kinda the opposite of Treso, hotshot, Uncle Mikes or Spitfire type nipples?
So that's why I'm askin'...

mykeal · December 22, 2010, 06:14 AM

SG - are you replying to a7mmnut or [email protected]?

a7mmnut says he drills them out to .060" - I assume he's talking about the flash channel - which would certainly be the opposite of the Treso design.

But [email protected] leaves the flash channel narrow and only opens up the tip. He's taking advantage of the Treso design and improving it by creating a smaller impact area on the tip of the cone. That smaller impact area results in significantly higher impact pressure on the explosive cap material.

Leaving the flash channel narrow like the original design preserves the best feature of the Treso nipples in that it lessens blowback force on the hammer and improves flow of the hot gasses into the combustion chamber.

kwhi43 · December 22, 2010, 08:45 AM

That is excatly right Mykeal!!!!

mykeal · December 22, 2010, 11:21 AM

I like the idea, but only on Ampco brass nipples.

Drilling out the nipple cone does result in significantly higher impact force on the explosive material, so reliability should be very high. The down side is that the strain on the nipple tip material is also much greater (same force over smaller area = higher strain), and they'll mushroom much faster. The Ampco material is very resistant to plastic deformation and so should last substantially longer than stainless steel or OEM steel.

kwhi43 · December 22, 2010, 02:46 PM

To allow for this, my mainspring in my Rem. is very light.

December 19, 2010, 09:48 PM	#3
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Hellgate Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2010 Location: Orygun Posts: 869	Hey, What's this accusin' me of tellin' all yer secrets and you up and tell on yourself!?!? Great info sharing. The first time I saw nipples like that was a fellow cowboy action shooter (my friendly competition) who did that to his Ruger Old Army so as to get a lighter hammer pull for faster shooting. Accuracy not being the game in CAS so much as speed and merely making hits on steel. __________________ With over 15 perCUSSIN' revolvers, I've been called the Imelda Marcos of cap & ball. SASS#3302 (Life), SASS Regulator, NRA (Life), Dirty Gamey Bastards #129 Wolverton Mtn. Peacekeepers (WA), former Orygun Cowboy (Ranger, Posse from Hell)

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December 19, 2010, 04:25 PM	#1
kwhi43 Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2008 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,393	About Nipples

December 19, 2010, 04:49 PM	#2
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	Good info but I've only had one revolver that took #11 caps. All the rest took #10 except for one old one that takes #9 which they don't make anymore.

December 21, 2010, 06:40 AM	#5
kadima Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2010 Posts: 190	Long, short, skinny or fat. It's a matter of taste.... After all our fathers used to say De gustibus non disputandum est

December 21, 2010, 10:25 AM	#7
Rifleman1776 Senior Member Join Date: April 25, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,309	I have never seen that treatment for nipples. Don't know if it is good or bad. But, if it works for you that is all that counts. I miss Friendship. Used to live right up the road and spent every weekend at the range with friends. Haven't been there in many years. Miss it. Good shooting.

December 21, 2010, 10:34 AM	#8
a7mmnut Junior member Join Date: February 27, 2009 Location: NC Foothills Posts: 1,150	I've opened mine up to around .050-.060", then ran an 82º countersink into the powder side to improve flame out. Seems to work pretty well. The only problem I've really had with regular BP nipples concerning cap fit are those longer "flame thrower" jobs. All in all, I love all kinds of nipples as well. -7-

December 21, 2010, 10:35 AM	#9
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December 22, 2010, 02:27 AM	#10
Smokin_Gun Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2005 Location: Mojave Desert, CA Posts: 1,195	Wouldn't that cause excessive hammer blowback even with a Remington Mainspring? It's kinda the opposite of Treso, hotshot, Uncle Mikes or Spitfire type nipples? So that's why I'm askin'... __________________ "I Smoke Black Powder" "Favor an 1858 Remington" SGT. Smokin' Gun, Mosby's Rangers 43rd Virginia Cavalry C.S.A. SASS# 19634, ... Admin:http://blackpowdersmoke.com/oldcoots/index.php

December 22, 2010, 06:14 AM	#11
mykeal Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2006 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 2,772	SG - are you replying to a7mmnut or [email protected]? a7mmnut says he drills them out to .060" - I assume he's talking about the flash channel - which would certainly be the opposite of the Treso design. But [email protected] leaves the flash channel narrow and only opens up the tip. He's taking advantage of the Treso design and improving it by creating a smaller impact area on the tip of the cone. That smaller impact area results in significantly higher impact pressure on the explosive cap material. Leaving the flash channel narrow like the original design preserves the best feature of the Treso nipples in that it lessens blowback force on the hammer and improves flow of the hot gasses into the combustion chamber.

December 22, 2010, 08:45 AM	#12
kwhi43 Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2008 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,393	That is excatly right Mykeal!!!!

December 22, 2010, 11:21 AM	#13
mykeal Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2006 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 2,772	I like the idea, but only on Ampco brass nipples. Drilling out the nipple cone does result in significantly higher impact force on the explosive material, so reliability should be very high. The down side is that the strain on the nipple tip material is also much greater (same force over smaller area = higher strain), and they'll mushroom much faster. The Ampco material is very resistant to plastic deformation and so should last substantially longer than stainless steel or OEM steel.

December 22, 2010, 02:46 PM	#14
kwhi43 Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2008 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,393	To allow for this, my mainspring in my Rem. is very light.