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Just because you can think it doesn't make it true. Snarky responses such as those made are based upon the false premise that the gun is the answer for all situations.
Proper training in a variety of contexts is essential. You can pretend all you want, but the fact of the matter is, people will drop to their lowest level of training under such situations. If a person has been practicing incorrectly, then odds are they will use that deviant method rather than the correct one. Every time I draw my J-Frame from my Nemesis, I put my thumb over the hammer. I do not deviate from this even with a 442. The J-Frame is not my primary gun, but it's essential to practice with it. Quote:
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Back to the OP.....I'd recommend a DAO snub mainly for the fact that your other gun is a Glock 19. You're already used to DAO, so why change now?
In addition to the 642, look at the S&W Bodyguard & Ruger LCR. The LCR trigger may even be closer to your Glock trigger in feel.
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Addressing the OP. Administrative loading concearn.
Question: After you load the chambers and close the cylinder, how do you know the cylinder is properly locked into position? i.e. how do you know the cylinder will spin properly? How can you tell that all cartridges are seated properly and you have no high primers?
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I am assuming that you meant those questions in reference to a revolver without a hammer spur. |
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dahermit got it in one.....you check those things first before you load or carry your gun. I also like to manually "twist" the cylinder after closing to check lockup. Never hurts to be sure.
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Load-Close-Lock-Fire-Unlock-Open-Eject.
The chambers are loaded. The cylinder is closed. No more eyeballing or finger feeling your cartridges. Ammunition inspection time is over!
How do you confirm the cylinder on your hammer spur removed revolver is in the locked position? Not just closed, but locked. Maybe those with excellent eyesight and the opportunity to confirm the cylinder is locked by actual firing the loaded revolver off the back porch can clue the rest of us in. Last edited by warningshot; September 11, 2012 at 03:42 AM. |
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I was looking for a 642 when i found a heck of a deal on a 638. Really like the option of being able to cock the hammer manually when i want to. Wife does to. But only drawback i can see if there is one is the ability for lint to get down in there when pocket carrying.
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Listen: actually hear the cylinder release click into locked position. Look: As you close your cylinder, if you watch the cylinder releases lever, you can actually watch the lever as it will reset into the locked position. With the cylinder out, visually mark where your cylinder release is setting. Slowly close the cylinder and watch the release reset into locked position. The locked position of the lever will be about a 1/16- 1/8" rearward of the unlocked position. Feel: after you load and close your cylinder, as you rotate the cylinder to make sure a chamber is lined up correctly with the bore , put a bit of side pressure on cylinder making sure cylinder won't move outward. Just as you should make a habit of doing on any revolver when loading as parts(including cyl. locks) wear out. warningshot, I'm not trying to be argumentative but this is the second time you have referred to not being able to make sure cylinder is locked on a hammerless revolver. Have you had experience with this issue, know of someone that's had this issue or have any stats. confirming this has been problem with hammerless pistols? Again, not being argumentative but I've shot revolvers with hammers as well as hammerless for 40yrs.(Note: by no means am I a revolver guru and I'm always willing to learn, hence my question). Load them both with a regular regiment that's the same....keep pistol inspected/maintained, inspect ammo,load,close cylinder and slightly spin cyl. lining up chamber while applying a bit of side pressure to cyl. And have just never experienced any problems in the areas you're suggesting on any revolver. |
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If you are doing as above, you are doing something risky with a loaded gun that could result in an accidental discharge in your house. You are trying to construct an issue where none exists. Those of us who routinely carry, do not cock and release the hammer our carry guns to see if the bolt is engaged after loading and closing the cylinder, spurred hammer or not. When preparing our carry guns, we load the cylinders with factory ammo, holster(pocket) the gun and go about our business. Quote:
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Can you close the cylinder on a revolver and have it, the cylinder, not locked?
If so...then what happens? How can the shooter tell the cylinder is not locked after he raised the revolver thinking it was ready to go? Is it true that just because the cylinder is closed that it is locked? Why does the firing order of a revolver include the words, close, and lock, and why are these words seperated by a commas? Does the cylinder always lock automatically? Is there something that always happens automatically during the loading procedure with a revolver? |
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Again, can you quote any frequent problems revolvers have had in this area? |
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If your revolver wasn't perfect, might the cylinder drag or bind just a little bit causing the shooter to falsely believe the cylinder is locked instead of just being closed? Of course this could never happen. Not me. No, no, no.
Why would anyone ever be conceared this might happen to them or someone eles. If you look-listen-feel your way thru then you can rest assured that you and no one else will ever have a revolver, with loaded chambers, at the ready, with a cylinder that is closed but not locked. A defined step, a predetermined single step during the loading procedure outlined in an administrative revolver loading process, one designed to function test and check the condition of the cylinder..naaww. I'm not blind. Why did S&W leave exposed hammer spurs on DA revolvers? Just for looks and single action shooting? Last edited by warningshot; September 11, 2012 at 04:08 PM. |
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Count me as another fan of the 637 and its exposed hammer. However, I usually choose to carry it when I'm wearing a Coronado leather vest with a dedicated concealment pocket, so the hammer isn't a problem. For pants-pocket carry, I usually go with either a NAA Guardian in .32 or a Sig P238 in .380, each in an appropriate pocket holster.
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Please post loading instructions that include the ordered word pairs, "...if it clicks...'', or, ''Look, Listen and Feel".
If only some people could keep their NDs to themselves. Last edited by warningshot; September 11, 2012 at 04:25 PM. |
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warningshot, if you have some actual guidance from Smith and Wesson about using the hammer to function check a gun that is loaded with live ammo, please provide a reference citation or link.
Function checks I have read all involve unloaded revolvers. |
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