Taurus Judge Mishap - Page 3

Buzz1 · November 26, 2008, 11:35 PM

after my tauras mishap with the judge i do not think i will get
another one going to find another gun

funon1 · November 27, 2008, 03:53 AM

Have it fixed and dump that Brazillian made POS and buy a good gun-Ruger or S&W. They are both American companies that both make excellent, reliable revolvers.

Funon1

rogertc1 · November 27, 2008, 06:44 AM

I'd stay away from the American made Ruger too. So maybe an old colt!!!!

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...+up+my+redhawk

rogertc1 · November 27, 2008, 07:12 AM

Salcon and Buzz1
Did you both post here too? Pcoladawg
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=407906

IMTHDUKE · November 27, 2008, 08:36 AM

I replaced mine after it broke with this....now have 7 round cap. and if I wanna shot snakes...it's shot shells....shoots 38+p and 357mag....lighter and stronger and smaller than the judge....what's not to like?

rogertc1 · November 27, 2008, 09:29 AM

Be carefull Duke thoes are know to blow up too
Post # 23 here has picture...

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=321309

I just got a snubbie Smith & Wesson 327 Performance Center .357 Magnum that holds 8 rounds myself.

Stainz · November 27, 2008, 11:40 AM

I was lucky over a year back when I was able to shoot a range-mate's Judge. I really hated it. It wasn't for me - that save me some moola. I love my S&W's - especially my first-ever - a 625 Mountain Gun in .45 Colt. I even picked up a second one. They spoiled me - fantastic way to launch .45 Colts. I added a new 629MG to my meager collection - and shot loads of .44 Russians and Specials from it.

One day at the range, after over two hundred of my short-cased lead loads, I stupidly shoved six of all I had left in my range bag, 300gr LSWC over 6.2gr Titegroup (880 fps) in .44 Magnum cases into my fine revolver. The first two, from a sitting hand hold, missed the target. The third round pinged the steel plate at 110yd - then the fourth did as well. The fifth went "Boomfff... tinkle, tinkle, tinkle". My range friend said, "Hey you missed! What happened to your gun?? Are you alright??". I was unhurt, save a few bloody marks on my bare arm and a chip in my safety glasses. I did nearly cry when I saw what I had done to one of my favorite revolvers.

There isn't room in the case for over 10.2-10.4gr of that powder with the long bullet seated. Hodgdon's and S&W agreed with my scenario - the dirty chamber had slowed the opening of the crimp - and that fast burning powder had produced a pressure spike - essentially a stuck bullet. S&W had the remains picked up - on their nickel - and tested the metallurgy, returning the only still serviceable part - the barrel! Yep, where the OP's gun was still good and he lost the barrel, my problem was the additive inverse... I have a barrel. S&W also sold me a new standard 4" 629 at a song - even got to wait a few days for one to make it down the assembly line, be shot, and shipped. They were first rate. I think my honesty helped... they asked me if I had ever used reloads or homebrews - I said that their testing it when it was built was the last time it ever saw factory ammo.

I mention this simply to illustrate the point - it can happen to anyone. Mine was totally my fault - I had preached to folks as an RO not to shoot long cased ammo after short, without chamber cleaning. Then I did that - all on me. Still, these are not perfect devices. I still make and shoot my own ammo, but never go to Magnums from shorter cases without cleaning.

I was lucky - and unhurt. I was also fortunate to get a reasonable replacement. This was all my doing. The OP's dad had just bad luck - I hope he gets a replacement quickly. Keep us apprised.

Stainz

tenusdad · November 27, 2008, 05:38 PM

NO they just suck because they are for the most part cheap junk. My beside gun is foreign made - Sig - but I would rather live beside a man that had a good S&W - Colt or Ruger than to own a Taurus. When is the last time you saw the price of a used Taurus going up?

Lashlarue · November 27, 2008, 07:18 PM

Only collector's items go up in value, Taurus outsells S&W, Ruger,Sig,Glock, HK,Springfield, and even Hi-point. 500,000 Taurus pistols were made last year and 220,000 came to the US.http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?board=24.0 The link carries you to the taurus armed site, specifically complaints about any and all of Taurus's many products.In fact it's the only gun site ,I know of, that has a section devoted to complaints.Here's a Glock one of several in 40S&W that blew up, due to a bad batch of barrels that were improperly headspaced.

I don't particularly care for Glock's, because they don't fit my hand, but if I did like them the fact that they had a problem with a few, wouldn't stop me from buying one.

IMTHDUKE · November 27, 2008, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Taurus outsells S&W, Ruger,Sig,Glock, HK,Springfield, and even Hi-point.

I don't think just because a company sells a lot of cheap guns is proof of anything, except there are many folks can only afford a cheap gun. And if that's what you can afford...more power to you. Just my humble, but very accurate opinion

rogertc1 · November 27, 2008, 08:12 PM

Right you are Duke...just your opinion.

IMTHDUKE · November 27, 2008, 08:51 PM

The admin was right...the ignore feature works great for little yapping Chihuahuas

Conan1 · November 28, 2008, 04:43 AM

Geez, And I just bought my wife a Taurus .357 Mag in SS w/ 2in barrel for Christmas. I plan on her using .38's. Hope its OK.

shortwave · November 28, 2008, 10:31 AM

Conan 1, you and your wife take that gun out and run 500-1000 rds through it staying within the load ranges the gun is designed for. Thats the only way you`ll be sure of the reliability of it or ANY other brand of gun made. I`ve had failures with high end guns as well as low end ones. IMO, shooting(alot) of rounds through any weapon is the only real test for reliability.

ffffg · November 29, 2008, 08:54 PM

my first thoughts looking at the photo, was, bad steel or overtorqued, or both.. when thread cutting machinery wears out and needs to be replaced or sharpened, it takes more pressure to tork the bolt.. i wonder if its done by machine or by hand.. Maybe the instructions were writen in english? dave

Buzz1 · December 9, 2008, 08:20 PM

after my judge barell blew off i thought i would never get one again
but they sent me a new one and it shot great it is a very cool gun

billy396 · April 21, 2010, 04:12 PM

I've never seen the actual point for having a pistol in .410. Having said that I have a Taurus Model 44, and with that 7 1/2" full-underlug barrel and the factory porting, that's one .44 Mag that doesn't even recoil as much as my
.357, and it's very accurate. I also have an Ultra-Lite .38 snub-nose, and the 9MM snub-nose with the moon clips, they're both very nice little guns. I have a Millennium Pro in 9MM and I had another Taurus auto in .45 - those are both disappointing to me in terms of performance. The revolvers have never given me a problem, but I've read too many horror stories regarding Taurus "customer service" to want to buy another one.

nefprotector · April 23, 2010, 10:55 AM

Wow! I had my doubts until I saw the Ruger. Do you have any pics?

GP100man · April 23, 2010, 05:25 PM

Snake gun & 5 rnds of 357 !

cole k · April 23, 2010, 05:54 PM

I don't hate Tauras, but after owning two I don't want anymore.
My snake gun is a S&W 38 Spl or S&W .357 loaded with shot shells.
They work fine, I've killed a lot of snake with .38 shot shells.

jglsprings · April 23, 2010, 08:36 PM

I just love using this link...

As you can see from the posts in this thread, it is a long standing discussion around here.

Teuthis · April 23, 2010, 10:41 PM

You might consider replacing that Taurus with a Bond Arms Snake Slayer. It is only two shots but with a .410 who needs more? They are strong, reliable and accurate.

MedleyPaige · March 8, 2011, 09:54 PM

Hello. I am posting in this thread to gain some insight from a few experts. My mother was recently invloved in an accident with a taurus judge that belongs to my dad. My dad has a license to conceal/carry a weapon (we live in KY). In early February my mom was in dad's truck moving some things around to find her carhart coveralls. She removed the coveralls and proceeded to shake them outside before putting them on. Unbenounced to her, the judge (belonging to my dad) was wrapped in her coveralls. When she "jerked" the coveralls out to shake them off, the gun fell to the pavement, landed on the hammer and fired. According to my dad the safety was ON. The buck shot hit my mom in the foot, and I'm sure most of you can imagine the impact at point-blank range. I can probably post pictures if you wish, it's pretty gruesome. She's had three reconstructive surgeries thus far, and they are still doubtful if she will keep her first two toes. It's been a hella ordeal. My question to those of you with experience is; are these guns known for issues like this? I've spoken to several people I work with (all ex military) and they tell me there are prehaps issues with the hammer of this gun? I am a NOVICE when it comes to firearms. Have any heard of this, or is it just a freak occurrance? Hopefully some one out there reads this..... thanks for any help!

Kodyo · March 8, 2011, 10:23 PM

First off, most revolvers don't have a physical thumb safety like many autos do, this includes the Taurus Judge.

Secondly, from looking at the Taurus website, it is also apparent that the Taurus Judge is equipped with transfer bars. This physically prevents the gun from firing if the gun is dropped and lands on the hammer.

Biff Tannen · March 8, 2011, 10:43 PM

Salcon:
Don't you hate asking for advice and instead everyone jumps all over you, tells you your gun is a piece of junk, and blames you for buying it (in this case, your dear old Dad)?! I feel for you.
My advice is:
If it was bought new, take it back to the shop. They will make sure its shipped legally, and will probably pay the shipping.
If used, call the gun shop and see if they will help you and be the go-between between you and Taurus...
If they wont help you, ask them to supply you with the proper Taurus customer service numbers, and ask Taurus.
CAUTION! If you have to send it to Taurus, make sure you ask both taurus and your gun shop what the legalities are about sending the gun! You dont want to accidentally become a felon!

Good luck and Im glad your Dad is okay!

November 27, 2008, 03:53 AM	#52
funon1 Senior Member Join Date: May 28, 2007 Location: WA state Posts: 361	Sorry to hear about it, but Taurus are notorious for this sort of thing Have it fixed and dump that Brazillian made POS and buy a good gun-Ruger or S&W. They are both American companies that both make excellent, reliable revolvers. Funon1 __________________ No Jesus, no peace. Know Jesus, know peace.

November 27, 2008, 08:36 AM	#55
IMTHDUKE Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2004 Location: Sweet Home Alabama Posts: 1,475	I replaced mine after it broke with this....now have 7 round cap. and if I wanna shot snakes...it's shot shells....shoots 38+p and 357mag....lighter and stronger and smaller than the judge....what's not to like? __________________ http://www.treasureislandbedandbreakfast.com Ed Brown Alpha Carry\| Sig P238, P938, P232, 1911 C3 \| Colt Defender, Mustang Pocketlite, 1911 \| Rohrbaugh R9 \| Browning, Buckmark 22LR(suppressed) \| Kahr PM9 Black Rose \| S&W\|M&P C.O.R.E RMR Trijicon \| Dan Wesson ECO

November 27, 2008, 05:38 PM	#58
tenusdad Junior member Join Date: April 27, 2008 Posts: 396	So, because it's foreign-made, it must suck? NO they just suck because they are for the most part cheap junk. My beside gun is foreign made - Sig - but I would rather live beside a man that had a good S&W - Colt or Ruger than to own a Taurus. When is the last time you saw the price of a used Taurus going up?

November 27, 2008, 07:18 PM	#59
Lashlarue Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2008 Posts: 533	Only collector's items go up in value, Taurus outsells S&W, Ruger,Sig,Glock, HK,Springfield, and even Hi-point. 500,000 Taurus pistols were made last year and 220,000 came to the US.http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?board=24.0 The link carries you to the taurus armed site, specifically complaints about any and all of Taurus's many products.In fact it's the only gun site ,I know of, that has a section devoted to complaints.Here's a Glock one of several in 40S&W that blew up, due to a bad batch of barrels that were improperly headspaced.I don't particularly care for Glock's, because they don't fit my hand, but if I did like them the fact that they had a problem with a few, wouldn't stop me from buying one. __________________ I've made a lot of money in my life, most was spent on booze, babes, guns, and poker,the rest I wasted!

November 27, 2008, 08:51 PM	#62
IMTHDUKE Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2004 Location: Sweet Home Alabama Posts: 1,475	The admin was right...the ignore feature works great for little yapping Chihuahuas __________________ http://www.treasureislandbedandbreakfast.com Ed Brown Alpha Carry\| Sig P238, P938, P232, 1911 C3 \| Colt Defender, Mustang Pocketlite, 1911 \| Rohrbaugh R9 \| Browning, Buckmark 22LR(suppressed) \| Kahr PM9 Black Rose \| S&W\|M&P C.O.R.E RMR Trijicon \| Dan Wesson ECO

November 27, 2008, 06:44 AM	#53
rogertc1 Junior member Join Date: December 17, 2004 Location: Maquoketa Posts: 1,335	I'd stay away from the American made Ruger too. So maybe an old colt!!!! http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...+up+my+redhawk

November 27, 2008, 07:12 AM	#54
rogertc1 Junior member Join Date: December 17, 2004 Location: Maquoketa Posts: 1,335	Salcon and Buzz1 Did you both post here too? Pcoladawg http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=407906

November 27, 2008, 09:29 AM	#56
rogertc1 Junior member Join Date: December 17, 2004 Location: Maquoketa Posts: 1,335	Be carefull Duke thoes are know to blow up too Post # 23 here has picture... http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=321309 I just got a snubbie Smith & Wesson 327 Performance Center .357 Magnum that holds 8 rounds myself.

November 27, 2008, 11:40 AM	#57
Stainz Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 749	I was lucky over a year back when I was able to shoot a range-mate's Judge. I really hated it. It wasn't for me - that save me some moola. I love my S&W's - especially my first-ever - a 625 Mountain Gun in .45 Colt. I even picked up a second one. They spoiled me - fantastic way to launch .45 Colts. I added a new 629MG to my meager collection - and shot loads of .44 Russians and Specials from it. One day at the range, after over two hundred of my short-cased lead loads, I stupidly shoved six of all I had left in my range bag, 300gr LSWC over 6.2gr Titegroup (880 fps) in .44 Magnum cases into my fine revolver. The first two, from a sitting hand hold, missed the target. The third round pinged the steel plate at 110yd - then the fourth did as well. The fifth went "Boomfff... tinkle, tinkle, tinkle". My range friend said, "Hey you missed! What happened to your gun?? Are you alright??". I was unhurt, save a few bloody marks on my bare arm and a chip in my safety glasses. I did nearly cry when I saw what I had done to one of my favorite revolvers. There isn't room in the case for over 10.2-10.4gr of that powder with the long bullet seated. Hodgdon's and S&W agreed with my scenario - the dirty chamber had slowed the opening of the crimp - and that fast burning powder had produced a pressure spike - essentially a stuck bullet. S&W had the remains picked up - on their nickel - and tested the metallurgy, returning the only still serviceable part - the barrel! Yep, where the OP's gun was still good and he lost the barrel, my problem was the additive inverse... I have a barrel. S&W also sold me a new standard 4" 629 at a song - even got to wait a few days for one to make it down the assembly line, be shot, and shipped. They were first rate. I think my honesty helped... they asked me if I had ever used reloads or homebrews - I said that their testing it when it was built was the last time it ever saw factory ammo. I mention this simply to illustrate the point - it can happen to anyone. Mine was totally my fault - I had preached to folks as an RO not to shoot long cased ammo after short, without chamber cleaning. Then I did that - all on me. Still, these are not perfect devices. I still make and shoot my own ammo, but never go to Magnums from shorter cases without cleaning. I was lucky - and unhurt. I was also fortunate to get a reasonable replacement. This was all my doing. The OP's dad had just bad luck - I hope he gets a replacement quickly. Keep us apprised. Stainz

November 27, 2008, 08:12 PM	#61
rogertc1 Junior member Join Date: December 17, 2004 Location: Maquoketa Posts: 1,335	Right you are Duke...just your opinion.

November 28, 2008, 04:43 AM	#63
Conan1 Member Join Date: November 11, 2008 Location: Middle Tennessee Posts: 26	Geez, And I just bought my wife a Taurus .357 Mag in SS w/ 2in barrel for Christmas. I plan on her using .38's. Hope its OK. __________________ "Here, Drink this, but don't spill, it'll kill the grass!"

November 28, 2008, 10:31 AM	#64
shortwave Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2007 Location: SOUTHEAST, OHIO Posts: 5,970	Conan 1, you and your wife take that gun out and run 500-1000 rds through it staying within the load ranges the gun is designed for. Thats the only way you`ll be sure of the reliability of it or ANY other brand of gun made. I`ve had failures with high end guns as well as low end ones. IMO, shooting(alot) of rounds through any weapon is the only real test for reliability.

November 29, 2008, 08:54 PM	#65
ffffg Member Join Date: October 4, 2008 Posts: 59	my first thoughts looking at the photo, was, bad steel or overtorqued, or both.. when thread cutting machinery wears out and needs to be replaced or sharpened, it takes more pressure to tork the bolt.. i wonder if its done by machine or by hand.. Maybe the instructions were writen in english? dave

December 9, 2008, 08:20 PM	#66
Buzz1 Junior Member Join Date: November 25, 2008 Posts: 3	taurus judge mishap after my judge barell blew off i thought i would never get one again but they sent me a new one and it shot great it is a very cool gun

April 21, 2010, 04:12 PM	#67
billy396 Junior Member Join Date: June 5, 2008 Posts: 4	I've never seen the actual point for having a pistol in .410. Having said that I have a Taurus Model 44, and with that 7 1/2" full-underlug barrel and the factory porting, that's one .44 Mag that doesn't even recoil as much as my .357, and it's very accurate. I also have an Ultra-Lite .38 snub-nose, and the 9MM snub-nose with the moon clips, they're both very nice little guns. I have a Millennium Pro in 9MM and I had another Taurus auto in .45 - those are both disappointing to me in terms of performance. The revolvers have never given me a problem, but I've read too many horror stories regarding Taurus "customer service" to want to buy another one.

April 23, 2010, 10:55 AM	#68
nefprotector Junior member Join Date: December 3, 2009 Location: SE Alabama Posts: 701	Wow! I had my doubts until I saw the Ruger. Do you have any pics?

April 23, 2010, 05:25 PM	#69
GP100man Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2007 Location: Tabor City , NC. Posts: 1,969	Snake gun & 5 rnds of 357 ! __________________ GP100man

April 23, 2010, 05:54 PM	#70
cole k Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2008 Location: east of the Big Muddy Posts: 248	I don't hate Tauras, but after owning two I don't want anymore. My snake gun is a S&W 38 Spl or S&W .357 loaded with shot shells. They work fine, I've killed a lot of snake with .38 shot shells.

April 23, 2010, 08:36 PM	#71
jglsprings Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2009 Posts: 1,827	I just love using this link... As you can see from the posts in this thread, it is a long standing discussion around here. __________________ Let's eat Grandma. Let's eat, Grandma. Commas save lives...

April 23, 2010, 10:41 PM	#72
Teuthis Senior Member Join Date: April 9, 2008 Location: Southern Arizona Posts: 537	You might consider replacing that Taurus with a Bond Arms Snake Slayer. It is only two shots but with a .410 who needs more? They are strong, reliable and accurate. __________________ Oderint dum Metuant

March 8, 2011, 09:54 PM	#73
MedleyPaige Junior Member Join Date: March 8, 2011 Posts: 1	Shot in the Foot Hello. I am posting in this thread to gain some insight from a few experts. My mother was recently invloved in an accident with a taurus judge that belongs to my dad. My dad has a license to conceal/carry a weapon (we live in KY). In early February my mom was in dad's truck moving some things around to find her carhart coveralls. She removed the coveralls and proceeded to shake them outside before putting them on. Unbenounced to her, the judge (belonging to my dad) was wrapped in her coveralls. When she "jerked" the coveralls out to shake them off, the gun fell to the pavement, landed on the hammer and fired. According to my dad the safety was ON. The buck shot hit my mom in the foot, and I'm sure most of you can imagine the impact at point-blank range. I can probably post pictures if you wish, it's pretty gruesome. She's had three reconstructive surgeries thus far, and they are still doubtful if she will keep her first two toes. It's been a hella ordeal. My question to those of you with experience is; are these guns known for issues like this? I've spoken to several people I work with (all ex military) and they tell me there are prehaps issues with the hammer of this gun? I am a NOVICE when it comes to firearms. Have any heard of this, or is it just a freak occurrance? Hopefully some one out there reads this..... thanks for any help!

March 8, 2011, 10:23 PM	#74
Kodyo Senior Member Join Date: February 6, 2011 Posts: 320	First off, most revolvers don't have a physical thumb safety like many autos do, this includes the Taurus Judge. Secondly, from looking at the Taurus website, it is also apparent that the Taurus Judge is equipped with transfer bars. This physically prevents the gun from firing if the gun is dropped and lands on the hammer.

March 8, 2011, 10:43 PM	#75
Biff Tannen Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2010 Location: Hill Valley Posts: 265	Salcon: Don't you hate asking for advice and instead everyone jumps all over you, tells you your gun is a piece of junk, and blames you for buying it (in this case, your dear old Dad)?! I feel for you. My advice is: If it was bought new, take it back to the shop. They will make sure its shipped legally, and will probably pay the shipping. If used, call the gun shop and see if they will help you and be the go-between between you and Taurus... If they wont help you, ask them to supply you with the proper Taurus customer service numbers, and ask Taurus. CAUTION! If you have to send it to Taurus, make sure you ask both taurus and your gun shop what the legalities are about sending the gun! You dont want to accidentally become a felon! Good luck and Im glad your Dad is okay! __________________ - BIFF TANNEN - The great-grandson of Buford "Mad Dog" Tannen.