Antique CCW?

Sir William · December 20, 2005, 04:00 AM

A friend and I were talking over some of the antique 60+ y/o handguns we own and still use. I often pack a 3" WWII 38 Special S&W M&P in the summer. I know more than a few who pack retired police trade-ins or their former duty weapon. This began our quest to find out if there are others who just don't care what is new and improved, we prefer blued and proved. The simple question is, if you carry, is it either a antique design a la S&W M10 or other? 1911s are antique designs BTB. Sorry, no polymer allowed.

mete · December 20, 2005, 05:19 AM

At one time I carried a Remington M51 .A very fine pistol not what I would call obsolete design at all. Unfortunately it was only a 380.

jburtonpdx · December 20, 2005, 05:42 AM

On occasion - a 1966 Walther PPK, actually stamped with the words "Made in West Germany"

steveracer · December 20, 2005, 05:59 AM

...a Remington Rand 1911 made in 1948. Next was a Smith and Wesson M&P .38
I wouls not hesitate to carry either of these guns every day today. I gave the Rand to my great uncle, and sold the M&P for a newer 1911. (Not much newer, but prettier by far.)
My friend carries a Webley from time to time, although I don't think you'll find a good IWB holster for it.

SIGSHR · December 20, 2005, 03:24 PM

Define "antique"? In my personal collection of 40+ handguns the most
"modern" design is my S&W M-639 the basic design of which was finalized
in 1954 or so when it first went on the market. The Colt Python first went on
sale in 1955 IIRC, that design is merely a cosmetic reworking of the Colt Army
Special of 1908, the S&W DA action dates from about the same time. The M1911 was finalized in about 1907-1908, the Walther PP went on the market in
1929, the P-38 and Browning High Power both date from the 1930s. The Colt
Trooper Markk III and Dan Wesson were designed by the same man, Karl Lewis
in 1952 or so. Only truly "new" handgun design I can think of is the Glock. The disadvantage to carrying an "antique" such as the Remington M-51 is the
scarcity of spare magazines and parts.

James K · December 20, 2005, 03:49 PM

A Remington-Rand pistol would have been made in 1942-1945, not 1948. But they are good guns.

I know a guy who spent over a year in a nice safe job in Afghanistan - guarding Pres. Kharzai. He carried a 1943 Remington-Rand because he said it never failed when he needed it. He never discussed much of anything about his job, but I heard he had needed it several times.

Jim

XavierBreath · December 20, 2005, 03:58 PM

Well, my carry 1911 was born in 1952.
My Model 38 is about 1970 or so, I think.
Lately, I have been enjoying concealing a Victory Model M&P.

mpi · December 20, 2005, 04:07 PM

i have , and often carry an early issue colt dick special. sometimes i carry one of my other dicks, cobra's or agent's. they kinda grow on ya.
mpi

RJay · December 20, 2005, 05:10 PM

What do you mean antique carry, How young are you anyway???

Sir William · December 20, 2005, 06:32 PM

I took my 1918 455 Webley MKVI out for a walk last night. I wondered if others do the same. XB has some interesting firearms. I define antique as 60 +/- 10 years. My uncle began his law enforcement career and retired with the same revolver. 40 years with him but, 20 years with his father.

doubleaes2 · December 20, 2005, 06:57 PM

I too have a Rem-Rand from 1943. My grandmother gave it to me. It was her brother's. I carry this gun quite often, as I am comfortable with it and it shoots well.

45-70 · December 20, 2005, 08:24 PM

Yep, I have carried it. Great uncle took it to France in the big War, so it's not so pretty. And in deference to it's "age and experience" I haven't carried it in several years. (Checked out by a smith who says it's safe to shoot, but he loves old Smiths and wishes I wouldn't.)

gfen · December 20, 2005, 08:50 PM

My S&W M38 Bodyguard has been dated to around 1964, making it over 10 years older than I.

Do I get to join the antiqueing club?

Delta Dave · December 20, 2005, 09:02 PM

Daily carry is a 1911 civilian born in 1946. Several years older than me and shows a distinct patina. Was my duty gun in the Sheriff's Dept. and has been my CCW since I left that service 20 years ago.

chaim · December 20, 2005, 09:18 PM

Since you seem to be including "antique" designs, several of my defensive weapons would qualify, though I don't often carry (I live in MD, so my carry is limited to out of state).

I'm big on revolvers. My S&W 65LS is only about 5 years old, but the design goes back to the S&W M&P so it is an older design. I just picked up my S&W 442 today which isn't a new design either (and the basic lockwork also goes back to the S&W M&P). I usually have loaded for HD, and often take for out of state CCW, my Taurus 85CH which is somewhat based on the S&W, though somewhat modernized. I also occasionally use a 1911 for HD.

Sir William · December 20, 2005, 10:08 PM

The single revolver that I don't CCW or shoot anymore is a S&W HE Model of 1902 in 32-20. I am not confident it can stand up to 32-20 rifle pressure ammunition. It is a 5", RB, nickel with MOP grips beauty. Grandpas duty weapon when he was a depression era federal agent.

Mannlicher · December 21, 2005, 07:07 AM

I sometimes carry older handguns. I have an old Savage in .32, as well as an Ortgies, also in .32, and a 1942 Browning HP.

December 20, 2005, 04:00 AM	#1
Sir William Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2004 Posts: 3,261	Antique CCW? A friend and I were talking over some of the antique 60+ y/o handguns we own and still use. I often pack a 3" WWII 38 Special S&W M&P in the summer. I know more than a few who pack retired police trade-ins or their former duty weapon. This began our quest to find out if there are others who just don't care what is new and improved, we prefer blued and proved. The simple question is, if you carry, is it either a antique design a la S&W M10 or other? 1911s are antique designs BTB. Sorry, no polymer allowed.

December 20, 2005, 05:59 AM	#4
steveracer Senior Member Join Date: October 26, 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 123	My first carry gun was... ...a Remington Rand 1911 made in 1948. Next was a Smith and Wesson M&P .38 I wouls not hesitate to carry either of these guns every day today. I gave the Rand to my great uncle, and sold the M&P for a newer 1911. (Not much newer, but prettier by far.) My friend carries a Webley from time to time, although I don't think you'll find a good IWB holster for it.

December 20, 2005, 03:58 PM	#7
XavierBreath Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2002 Location: North Louisiana Posts: 2,800	Well, my carry 1911 was born in 1952. My Model 38 is about 1970 or so, I think. Lately, I have been enjoying concealing a Victory Model M&P. __________________ Xavier's Blog

December 20, 2005, 06:57 PM	#11
doubleaes2 Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Posts: 282	I too have a Rem-Rand from 1943. My grandmother gave it to me. It was her brother's. I carry this gun quite often, as I am comfortable with it and it shoots well. __________________ The best index to a person's character is (a) How he treats people who can't do him any good, and (b), How he treats people who can't fight back. Abigail Van Buren

December 20, 2005, 08:24 PM	#12
45-70 Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2005 Location: Dallas TX area Posts: 310	.32 S&W Long, Hand Ejector, 2nd change, c. 1912 Yep, I have carried it. Great uncle took it to France in the big War, so it's not so pretty. And in deference to it's "age and experience" I haven't carried it in several years. (Checked out by a smith who says it's safe to shoot, but he loves old Smiths and wishes I wouldn't.)

December 20, 2005, 05:19 AM	#2
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	At one time I carried a Remington M51 .A very fine pistol not what I would call obsolete design at all. Unfortunately it was only a 380.

December 20, 2005, 05:42 AM	#3
jburtonpdx Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2005 Posts: 267	On occasion - a 1966 Walther PPK, actually stamped with the words "Made in West Germany"

December 20, 2005, 03:24 PM	#5
SIGSHR Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2005 Posts: 4,700	Define "antique"? In my personal collection of 40+ handguns the most "modern" design is my S&W M-639 the basic design of which was finalized in 1954 or so when it first went on the market. The Colt Python first went on sale in 1955 IIRC, that design is merely a cosmetic reworking of the Colt Army Special of 1908, the S&W DA action dates from about the same time. The M1911 was finalized in about 1907-1908, the Walther PP went on the market in 1929, the P-38 and Browning High Power both date from the 1930s. The Colt Trooper Markk III and Dan Wesson were designed by the same man, Karl Lewis in 1952 or so. Only truly "new" handgun design I can think of is the Glock. The disadvantage to carrying an "antique" such as the Remington M-51 is the scarcity of spare magazines and parts.

December 20, 2005, 03:49 PM	#6
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	A Remington-Rand pistol would have been made in 1942-1945, not 1948. But they are good guns. I know a guy who spent over a year in a nice safe job in Afghanistan - guarding Pres. Kharzai. He carried a 1943 Remington-Rand because he said it never failed when he needed it. He never discussed much of anything about his job, but I heard he had needed it several times. Jim

December 20, 2005, 04:07 PM	#8
mpi Member Join Date: September 30, 2004 Posts: 49	i have , and often carry an early issue colt dick special. sometimes i carry one of my other dicks, cobra's or agent's. they kinda grow on ya. mpi

December 20, 2005, 05:10 PM	#9
RJay Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,936	What do you mean antique carry, How young are you anyway???

December 20, 2005, 06:32 PM	#10
Sir William Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2004 Posts: 3,261	I took my 1918 455 Webley MKVI out for a walk last night. I wondered if others do the same. XB has some interesting firearms. I define antique as 60 +/- 10 years. My uncle began his law enforcement career and retired with the same revolver. 40 years with him but, 20 years with his father.

December 20, 2005, 08:50 PM	#13
gfen Senior Member Join Date: January 3, 2005 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 817	My S&W M38 Bodyguard has been dated to around 1964, making it over 10 years older than I. Do I get to join the antiqueing club?

December 20, 2005, 09:02 PM	#14
Delta Dave Junior Member Join Date: November 30, 2005 Posts: 9	Daily carry is a 1911 civilian born in 1946. Several years older than me and shows a distinct patina. Was my duty gun in the Sheriff's Dept. and has been my CCW since I left that service 20 years ago.

December 20, 2005, 09:18 PM	#15
chaim Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2001 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,095	Since you seem to be including "antique" designs, several of my defensive weapons would qualify, though I don't often carry (I live in MD, so my carry is limited to out of state). I'm big on revolvers. My S&W 65LS is only about 5 years old, but the design goes back to the S&W M&P so it is an older design. I just picked up my S&W 442 today which isn't a new design either (and the basic lockwork also goes back to the S&W M&P). I usually have loaded for HD, and often take for out of state CCW, my Taurus 85CH which is somewhat based on the S&W, though somewhat modernized. I also occasionally use a 1911 for HD.

December 20, 2005, 10:08 PM	#16
Sir William Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2004 Posts: 3,261	The single revolver that I don't CCW or shoot anymore is a S&W HE Model of 1902 in 32-20. I am not confident it can stand up to 32-20 rifle pressure ammunition. It is a 5", RB, nickel with MOP grips beauty. Grandpas duty weapon when he was a depression era federal agent.

December 21, 2005, 07:07 AM	#17
Mannlicher Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2001 Location: North Central Florida & Miami Posts: 3,209	I sometimes carry older handguns. I have an old Savage in .32, as well as an Ortgies, also in .32, and a 1942 Browning HP. __________________ Nemo Me Impune Lacesset "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.".........Ronald Reagan