Civil unrest...do you...

SomeKid · September 1, 2005, 07:34 AM

Ok guys, we have all seen what is happening in New Orleans.

The news says the cops are asking private citizens to give them guns.

Would you give the cops YOUR guns (and hope one day you get them back in reasonable condition) if something like that was going on?

ATW525 · September 1, 2005, 07:39 AM

Yes... not all my guns, of course... but I have many, many guns including a couple that would be helpful to the police in that situation that I could live just fine without.

Jkwas · September 1, 2005, 08:14 AM

I don't have "extra" guns to be able to give some away, and still be able to
protect my family. But I don't understand why the Police don't have their own guns

I would supply them with spare ammo though.

SomeKid · September 1, 2005, 08:19 AM

That was something else that bothered me, we all know the cops are set up nice. They can use autos and all sorts of really sweet weapons we are prevented from obtaining (ok, we can get them, but we jump through more hoops than an animal at the circus) them.

ATW525 · September 1, 2005, 08:23 AM

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But I don't understand why the Police don't have their own guns

I'd guess that budget constraints keep them from buying a rifle or shotgun for every officer. Most police departments will never need that kind of firepower, so it's a hard expense to justify.

My personal opinion is that the knowledge that a police officer is sending low-life looting scum to hell with my WASR-10 is worth more than any monetary compensation I'd get for the rifle. Also if I evacuated I wouldn't be able to take it with me, so the alternative is to leave it for the looter scum, which isn't an option in my book.

Arizona Fusilier · September 1, 2005, 08:40 AM

Sorry, I need more information; anyone have a link?

Are we to believe the cops need to borrow guns? What type of guns are they asking for?

I've seen some wield shotguns against the looters on T.V.; they need more than that?

Seen the SWAT on patrol with AR-15/M-16-type carbines, surely there's more where that came form.

gddyup · September 1, 2005, 08:48 AM

I wouldn't give them my only gun, but If I had extras that they might be able to use then I probably would. I certainly wouldn't give up my only means of protection though.

Why wouldn't the mayor/governor ask the local National Guard Armory folks if they could "borrow" some of the military arms?

Derius_T · September 1, 2005, 08:56 AM

I suppose that if I were in that situation, and couldn't take them all with me, I would rather the cops get them and use them than leave them for looters.
I would absolutely keep enough guns to arm my capable family memebers though.

SomeKid · September 1, 2005, 08:59 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050831/...NlYwMlJVRPUCUl

It is at the VERY bottom. Personally. under THAT circumstance, it sounds more like disarming the masses under the guise of 'help us help you' to me.

JuniorCommando · September 1, 2005, 09:27 AM

from my cold dead hands!

My guns stay with me.

John Ringo · September 1, 2005, 09:29 AM

Heck no.

You'd never see it again, and would probably end-up coming out of it with less than zero. I have never seen any city, state, or federal government do anything right. In the end a bunch of bureaucrats end up screwing things up.

Mikkel · September 1, 2005, 09:38 AM

I guess id lend em one of my guns, but not all. I want to be able to protect my family. People have been shot and raped in New Orelans in the aftermath of Katrina.

beenthere · September 1, 2005, 10:48 AM

I might give them Something. Perhaps a Nagant 7.62 and 50 rounds. I'd probably give then a few boxes of ammo but I'd have to tell them they might be a bit warmer than their standard 357 etc

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Rangefinder · September 1, 2005, 11:13 AM

The Federal Government is already actively involved. Let them handle firepower issues. Place the city under marshal law for the duration of the evacuation. A prepared and better armed National Guard can handle policing while the local LE can "serve and protect" by assisting the evacuation and rescue operations. If they really are in need of firearms, the Gov't can supply them.

Edward429451 · September 1, 2005, 11:43 AM

No way. A neighbor perhaps. but not to any people in an official capacity.

Let the gubmint send some down. They send gazillions of dollars of our money overseas and can't pony up to help Louisiana? I don't buy that.

Eghad · September 1, 2005, 12:34 PM

Only If I got a reciept from a police dept official......I have a few I would lend em.

otherwise no.

als54 · September 1, 2005, 01:17 PM

I was thinking about that this morning and I'd have to say NO! Especially since, according to the courts, it's not the police's responsiblity to protect us. I guess they could always pry it from my cold dead hand. That's the only way they'd get them.

Vitamin G · September 1, 2005, 01:31 PM

Since the N.O. police are asking for citizens to GIVE them their guns, i voted no.

But any police officer would be welcome to borrow it, if i had a guarantee of repayment at MSRP if it didn't make its way back to me in as pristine condition as i loaned it.

stephen426 · September 1, 2005, 01:31 PM

If the police asked for ammunition instead, I might buy into their plea. I might also accept it if there were looking for assault weapons todeal with the armed mob down there. As for sidearms, They had better be holding o to theirs because they sure as heck won't be getting mine.

dasmi · September 1, 2005, 01:32 PM

No, because I don't have very many. I only have two guns that would be useful for defense, my service six, and my Mosin-nagant m44. I need them both to protect myself, and my family. They can have the mossberg plinkster, I suppose.

Ramcharger · September 1, 2005, 01:37 PM

No

Clayfish · September 1, 2005, 02:13 PM

no

tjhands · September 1, 2005, 02:28 PM

It still hasn't been answered as to why these officers need other people's guns. I don't get that. Where'd THEIR guns go? What am I missing?

chadwimc · September 1, 2005, 04:56 PM

Let's see... I have my .45 and a 870.
My wife has her .357 and a 11-48.
My daughter has the .38 snubbie and Raven the black Lab.
My son has the other .357 and the CAR 15.

Sorry officer. No guns available here. They've been issued to family members to protect us. That safe? I dunno what in there. We never could get it open...

Garand Illusion · September 1, 2005, 07:24 PM

I would give them several guns. Not all.

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September 1, 2005, 07:34 AM	#1
SomeKid Junior member Join Date: July 11, 2005 Location: Tennessee Posts: 107	Civil unrest...do you... Ok guys, we have all seen what is happening in New Orleans. The news says the cops are asking private citizens to give them guns. Would you give the cops YOUR guns (and hope one day you get them back in reasonable condition) if something like that was going on?

September 1, 2005, 08:19 AM	#4
SomeKid Junior member Join Date: July 11, 2005 Location: Tennessee Posts: 107	Jk That was something else that bothered me, we all know the cops are set up nice. They can use autos and all sorts of really sweet weapons we are prevented from obtaining (ok, we can get them, but we jump through more hoops than an animal at the circus) them.

September 1, 2005, 08:48 AM	#7
gddyup Senior Member Join Date: July 22, 2005 Location: Derry, NH Posts: 219	I wouldn't give them my only gun, but If I had extras that they might be able to use then I probably would. I certainly wouldn't give up my only means of protection though. Why wouldn't the mayor/governor ask the local National Guard Armory folks if they could "borrow" some of the military arms? __________________ Firefighter/EMT - Currently teamed on Engine 1... I always get to play with my Knob! "Good judgement comes from experience and experience comes from poor judgement" - Unknown. "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." - Robert A. Heinlein

September 1, 2005, 08:59 AM	#9
SomeKid Junior member Join Date: July 11, 2005 Location: Tennessee Posts: 107	Someone wanted more information. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050831/...NlYwMlJVRPUCUl It is at the VERY bottom. Personally. under THAT circumstance, it sounds more like disarming the masses under the guise of 'help us help you' to me.

September 1, 2005, 07:39 AM	#2
ATW525 Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2005 Location: Concord, NH Posts: 2,723	Yes... not all my guns, of course... but I have many, many guns including a couple that would be helpful to the police in that situation that I could live just fine without.

September 1, 2005, 08:14 AM	#3
Jkwas Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2005 Location: Mouth of the Rat, Florida Posts: 1,778	I don't have "extra" guns to be able to give some away, and still be able to protect my family. But I don't understand why the Police don't have their own guns I would supply them with spare ammo though.

September 1, 2005, 08:40 AM	#6
Arizona Fusilier Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2000 Posts: 1,082	Sorry, I need more information; anyone have a link? Are we to believe the cops need to borrow guns? What type of guns are they asking for? I've seen some wield shotguns against the looters on T.V.; they need more than that? Seen the SWAT on patrol with AR-15/M-16-type carbines, surely there's more where that came form.

September 1, 2005, 08:56 AM	#8
Derius_T Senior Member Join Date: November 29, 2004 Location: South West OHIO (boondocks) Posts: 1,337	I suppose that if I were in that situation, and couldn't take them all with me, I would rather the cops get them and use them than leave them for looters. I would absolutely keep enough guns to arm my capable family memebers though.

September 1, 2005, 09:27 AM	#10
JuniorCommando Junior member Join Date: August 30, 2005 Location: North Carolina southern state where Class 3's banned!! Posts: 30	from my cold dead hands! My guns stay with me.

September 1, 2005, 09:29 AM	#11
John Ringo Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2004 Location: Washington DC Posts: 379	Heck no. You'd never see it again, and would probably end-up coming out of it with less than zero. I have never seen any city, state, or federal government do anything right. In the end a bunch of bureaucrats end up screwing things up. __________________ Regards, John Ringo "I like these calm little moments before the storm (Stansfield, The Professional)."

September 1, 2005, 09:38 AM	#12
Mikkel Member Join Date: January 6, 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 81	I guess id lend em one of my guns, but not all. I want to be able to protect my family. People have been shot and raped in New Orelans in the aftermath of Katrina.

September 1, 2005, 10:48 AM	#13
beenthere Senior Member Join Date: November 16, 2004 Location: NE Indiana Posts: 460	Giving guns I might give them Something. Perhaps a Nagant 7.62 and 50 rounds. I'd probably give then a few boxes of ammo but I'd have to tell them they might be a bit warmer than their standard 357 etc . __________________ The weak, and those unwilling to make the struggle, soon resign their liberties for the protection of powerful men or paid armies; they begin by being protected, they end by being subjected. Louis L'Amour

September 1, 2005, 11:13 AM	#14
Rangefinder Senior Member Join Date: August 4, 2005 Posts: 2,017	The Federal Government is already actively involved. Let them handle firepower issues. Place the city under marshal law for the duration of the evacuation. A prepared and better armed National Guard can handle policing while the local LE can "serve and protect" by assisting the evacuation and rescue operations. If they really are in need of firearms, the Gov't can supply them. __________________ "Why is is called Common Sense when it seems so few actually possess it?" Guns only have two enemies: Rust and Politicians.

September 1, 2005, 11:43 AM	#15
Edward429451 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,494	No way. A neighbor perhaps. but not to any people in an official capacity. Let the gubmint send some down. They send gazillions of dollars of our money overseas and can't pony up to help Louisiana? I don't buy that.

September 1, 2005, 12:34 PM	#16
Eghad Senior Member Join Date: May 28, 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 6,231	Only If I got a reciept from a police dept official......I have a few I would lend em. otherwise no. __________________ Have a nice day at the range NRA Life Member

September 1, 2005, 01:17 PM	#17
als54 Senior Member Join Date: January 18, 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 215	I was thinking about that this morning and I'd have to say NO! Especially since, according to the courts, it's not the police's responsiblity to protect us. I guess they could always pry it from my cold dead hand. That's the only way they'd get them. __________________ Glock 17 Gen 3 Glock 26 Gen 4 S&W 642 Taurus PT145 Millennium PRO

September 1, 2005, 01:31 PM	#18
Vitamin G Senior Member Join Date: May 25, 2004 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 307	Since the N.O. police are asking for citizens to GIVE them their guns, i voted no. But any police officer would be welcome to borrow it, if i had a guarantee of repayment at MSRP if it didn't make its way back to me in as pristine condition as i loaned it.

September 1, 2005, 01:31 PM	#19
stephen426 Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2005 Posts: 3,840	I think its a ploy to get guns off the streets If the police asked for ammunition instead, I might buy into their plea. I might also accept it if there were looking for assault weapons todeal with the armed mob down there. As for sidearms, They had better be holding o to theirs because they sure as heck won't be getting mine. __________________ The ATF should be a convenience store instead of a government agency!

September 1, 2005, 01:32 PM	#20
dasmi Senior Member Join Date: January 18, 2005 Posts: 882	No, because I don't have very many. I only have two guns that would be useful for defense, my service six, and my Mosin-nagant m44. I need them both to protect myself, and my family. They can have the mossberg plinkster, I suppose. __________________ If we look at the black record of mass murder, exploitation, and tyranny levied on society by governments over the ages, we need not be loath to abandon the Leviathan State and ... try freedom. --Murray Rothbard, For a New Liberty

September 1, 2005, 01:37 PM	#21
Ramcharger Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2004 Posts: 371	No

September 1, 2005, 02:13 PM	#22
Clayfish Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 2005 Location: Valdosta, GA Posts: 953	no

September 1, 2005, 02:28 PM	#23
tjhands Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2005 Posts: 1,718	It still hasn't been answered as to why these officers need other people's guns. I don't get that. Where'd THEIR guns go? What am I missing? __________________ "If the sole purpose of handguns is to kill people, then mine are all defective." - Uncle Ted Nugent

September 1, 2005, 04:56 PM	#24
chadwimc Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 2005 Posts: 155	Let's see... I have my .45 and a 870. My wife has her .357 and a 11-48. My daughter has the .38 snubbie and Raven the black Lab. My son has the other .357 and the CAR 15. Sorry officer. No guns available here. They've been issued to family members to protect us. That safe? I dunno what in there. We never could get it open...

September 1, 2005, 07:24 PM	#25
Garand Illusion Senior Member Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,278	I would give them several guns. Not all.