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The Militia movement picked up steam in the early 1990s. You can read about it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_movement The movement focussed on the increasing power of the federal government and encroachments on the RKBA. Gosh that sounds good, where do I sign up... ? Unfortanately, the Militia movement found itself on the wrong side of public perception after the Oklahoma City terrorist bombing. No matter how they tried to distance themselves from Tim McViegh and Terry Nichols, the words that those two terrorists spouted sounded an awful lot like the preachings of the Militia movement. I have 0% interest in associating with anyone who calls themselves a militia, or with anyone who is prepping for armegeddon, or for the end of government, or other such nonsense. |
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Agreed, unless its the chocolate cake militia of course...
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Prepping for Armageddon isn't in and of itself a bad thing. Prepping for Armageddon isn't far off from prepping for a massive natural disaster. I'm not saying buy crossbows for when Electricity magically stops working or anything, but prepping isn't totally bad.
The problem with "militia" today is that the image conjured isn't the Minutemen of 200 years ago. It's a bunch of white supremacy anarchists running around in camo reliving Deer Hunter flashbacks. If this would be worthwhile, you'd have to start with the war of words. Call yourself the XXXXX State Civil Defense Force. Anything but militia. |
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Your post reminds me of a conversation between two of the younger guys at work just last week. Both expressed an interest in joining the National Guard, but neither has any particular interest in doing long tours in either Iraq or Afghanistan. As a result, the NG is going to have to do without these two guys, because the NG is bring used in a way other than that for which the NG should be used. |
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I have read much concerning the definition of "Militia" that was accepted when the 2A was written. It was not well defined or understood universally even then. I have the simple understanding that in order for any State to be free the people must have the right to keep and bear arms. Without that right the people do not have the ability to defend themselves against threats from within or without.
I have the ability to well regulate my weapons. I have no need or desire to join with any Militia group to affirm my right to do so.
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The proplem is; while trying to not look like nuts, some nuts will join you and look like/act like nuts.
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So aside from the fact that the act would disenfranchise potential female members, nothing of any sort of realistic societal benefit would occur. Quote:
Stand up and be counted? What does that mean? You mean something like where a census is taken of the attendees' and gear data and put into a database? Quote:
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When you have a large peaceful demonstration planned, you'll be infiltrated by provocateurs paid by the govt (or someone who opposes your cause -say, Bloomberg?) to turn it into a riot so as to make you and your goals look bad.
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So there is a government conspiracy against this, Ronbert?
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There were enough of these kinds of things that the '60's radicals had a thumbrule that the guy in the group in favor of the most radical action was a govt agent. Kind like how Randy Weaver was set up. Also of note- there are darn few revolutions in history that finished with the same "good" intentions they started out with. Usually they get hijacked. |
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Sorry, I was confused by your statements of fact that are now things you say you don't know for a fact.
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Welcome to The Firing Line. I think you'll find most of us here a bit more egalitarian -- even though some of us still open doors for ladies. |
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I open and hold doors for gentlemen.
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But seriously, if we rest solely on the wording of the US Code 10 Chapter 13 I have a problem rebutting the claims.
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I'm not entirely sure what you're looking to rebut, however, the act itself would be unconstitutional today as discriminatory- ESPECIALLY if one wanted to tie the act to the militia to the right to keep and bear arms.
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First, note that 10 USC 311 appears to date back to 1916 and was last amended 20 years ago. A lot has changed in those periods.
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And that's exactly why I get really crabby when people on either side of the debate want to tie the right to bear arms to membership in the unorganized militia as defined in that statute. (And yes, I have, post Heller, seen some pro-gun people make that argument, for whatever reason. ) I'm not the least bit keen on losing my rights under that definition...
Heller was a good decision, as far as it went, and I'd hate to see it overturned.
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I assert that if one tries this stunt that the expressed derailing of the event will occur. Such derailings have happened before and there's no reason to think this one would be immune. In fact, our political opposition has every reason to intervene. Even if I have no facts to back up my assertion- it's still a bad idea. |
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