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January 5, 2010, 02:26 PM | #26 | |
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If you are murdered on the job, it is a law enforcement matter. The government picks up the tab. Look at Pizza Delivery forums like http://tipthepizzaguy.com/ or http://gregspages.com/discussion/ Pizza companies knowingly send their drivers into risky areas. And will fire the employee for carrying firearms. Better a dead employee than a lawsuit. Last edited by Slamfire; January 5, 2010 at 02:54 PM. |
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I work at a university so weapons are not an option.
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can anyone cite a lawsuit where the employer lost due to " failure to protect an employee from harm " if they have a no firearms policy?
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January 5, 2010, 03:37 PM | #31 |
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It's a dumb rule. It can't be enforced, unless you plan on using metal detectors, and even then, unless you are an airport or a courthouse or some top secret government agency, it won't be effectively enforced. There are simply too many ways for an employee to get a gun and ammo into a workplace if he wants to.
You will never even know who is carrying a gun if they are responsible and knowledgable CCW gun owners. The guy who is bent on shooting up the place because he was just fired is going to attempt to do that whether you have a policy or not against bringing guns to work. So, having a policy against carrying a gun to work is really just another way for an employer to find cause for firing certain employees, if they really want to. There is no correlation between no-gun policy and work place safety. |
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A few years back, AOL, from security camera pictures, identified three employees as having guns in their cars parked in a lot used by AOL employees; and they were fired for violation AOL's no guns policy. The Utah Supreme Court sided with AOL. So maybe an employee will get caught, and maybe he won't. But if he does get caught, he will most likely be fired; and he'll have no recourse. However, a few states, like Florida and Oklahoma have enacted laws preventing employers from taking disciplinary action against employers for having guns locked in their cars parked on company property. |
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January 5, 2010, 04:25 PM | #33 |
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My company's policy is horribly draconian and based entirely on insurance company demands: we must consent to a search of our private vehicle or bags, as well as any company property. Guns are forbidden. However, it is not posted. The policy says the punishment is termination.
I personally know of at least 3 employees who drive company vehicles and carry every day. I know most of the truckers coming in and out of our facility carry as well. I suppose all of those people would rather be alive and without a job than a dead guy who followed the company handbook. However, my boss made it clear that no one would be searched unless they had cause to do so. In other words, no random searches. The phrase, "always carry, never tell" comes to mind in situations like the one I just mentioned. |
January 5, 2010, 04:29 PM | #34 |
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I used to keep a pistol in my desk
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January 5, 2010, 04:31 PM | #35 |
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I don't have to worry about work place I work in a prison, Employer supplies weapons lol.
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January 5, 2010, 05:33 PM | #36 |
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I work for a company that has a weapons free premisis policy. It was quite well explained that a pocket knife in the car constituted as a weapon.:barf: (I wonder whtat they would do if they found a tire iron.)
One person did settle out of court with the company on a law suit from them wishing to search his vehicle. He had previously sighned a consent to search form. When they demanded he open his vehicle for them he said clock me out. All further comunication shall be thrugh my attorney. It has been 2 years. They have not attempted to search another vehicle since. Rumor was they had to pay him 5 years pay. I can see the resoning behind I can "live" with being fired. Personaly I am situationaly aware at all times. My weapon is of no comfort to me. I know exactly what it is for. I accept that fact, and go about my daily life.
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January 5, 2010, 05:43 PM | #37 |
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Fiddletown, Utah passed a law allowing anyone to carry a concealed firearm in their vehicle. They also passed a law which allows a gun to be kept in a employees vehicle while at work.
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January 5, 2010, 06:44 PM | #39 |
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I own the company and have four cops that work for me (real estate). I am not about to infringe upon anyone's 2nd Amendment Right. The only people that carry are the cops and me. Often times we need to enter 'abandoned' buildings that are not always vacant. Some of the vacant properties have become flop-houses. Also, many properties I show are know drug houses... pit bulls and all.
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My wife manages a pharmacy/grocery store. One of the major chains. They have a strict NO FIREARMS policy. Some days she opens the store before sunrise. Some days she close's the store at 11: PM then makes the bank drop. Of course she doesnt carry a S&W 36, and a baretta pop-up in .22 She could get fired for that... And one has to be alive to get fired.
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January 5, 2010, 09:14 PM | #42 |
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A similar law in TX failed to make it to a vote. The inside scoop is that business interests were strongly against it. Progun (haha) legislators proclaimed their support but were in favor of behind the scenes machinations that kept the bill from a vote. Thus, they could spout their support but keep the dough from the businesses.
They did have the time to pass a law that demands that minors have to get parental permission to go to a tanning salon. I don't recall that being a major issue in the defense of liberty.
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My company also sucks... er, I mean forbids firearms on all company property, including the parking lot. How they would ever find out, I'm not too sure - but you have to weigh the risk of getting caught/fired with the risk of not having your gun.
For me, I like my job.
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January 5, 2010, 10:03 PM | #44 |
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I live in Ohio and when I took my cc class I was told it was legal to lock my gun up in my truck. Then the instructor went on to explain that is was not illegal but if it violates company policy you may be fired. I often work 56 or more hours a week and with half and hour to get there and half an hour to get home I am deprived of a legal right given to me by the state of Ohio for 12 to 16 hours a day and many times six days a week. Some times terms of employment suck.
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January 5, 2010, 10:18 PM | #45 |
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My company has a pretty stiff "no gun" policy.
When I took the job, I found 4 12ga shotgun shells and a box of .22MAG ammo in the glovebox of my new work truck. The guy before me was an older gentleman and a pretty good friend of mine. He actually recommended me for the job.
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Try carrying a weapon onto a power plant, county office or similar locale. You're not only fired, you're going to jail. It's simple - if you do not like the company policy, either fight to change it or find other employment. A company whose insurance requirements necessitate those policies is not going to risk going out of business to assuage your personal feelings on this |
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Lucky Me!
I work as an Operations Manager in the Construction Industry and my boss is completely cool with me carrying while on company time. I am on the road alot as part of my job, so it really makes sense for me to carry all the time. Just today the senior management of the company went out to lunch at a local Ruby Tuesday's restaurant and the waiter said "are your job sites that bad" while he was looking down at my pistol in a paddle holster on my strong side. I just shook my head no and said " I would rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it". My boss just looked at me and laughed. He carries a Glock 23 sometimes. I guess im pretty lucky to be in such a pro gun environment.
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Good thread.
I'm going to move this one down to Law & Civil Rights, though, since although it began as a pretty solid tactics & training thread it appears to have morphed more into the legal aspects. pax |
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January 7, 2010, 08:56 PM | #50 |
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Company I worked for has a no gun policy, indoor and parking lot. They used to have security guards, which were unarmed and sat in a shack at the entrance of the lot--no gates. They didn't like the idea of guards on the payroll, so now they have only cameras that are pretty much unmonitored--they are not recorded. They've threatened, but not done so yet, automobile searches. Several years ago an incident arose that got two men fired. They were third shift employees, and must have had a beef going on. They met shortly after work at a local gas station/carwash, and argued. One pulled a gun and fired, damaging only a carwash window. Regardless of circumstances, company fired them on the reasoning 'as soon after work as that was, they HAD to have had the gun in the car at work'. I've always thought to myself, what if they had gotten it elsewhere? Many guys meet their wives in the lot, and so on.
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