Bad Bull Muzzleloaders: Holy Smokes!

Daekar · February 16, 2013, 12:11 PM

http://www.badbullmuzzleloaders.com

A buddy of mine showed me the website above, and he's all excited about getting one of those rifles. They're cool, no doubt about that, but I can't help thinking that he's going to be using reduced loads in short order... they claim 6000 ft*lbs at the muzzle using a 300 gr. bullet! That's like two 30-06 going off at once! What do you guys think?

scrubcedar · February 16, 2013, 12:50 PM

Drooling (chin wiping) more drooling. The rifle based off of the ruger no.1, lots more drooling. Wow, and some of them are downright beautiful as well.

taylorce1 · February 17, 2013, 06:28 PM

Check the regulations in your State before buying one. Where I live you can't use a muzzle loader like that. Full bore bullets or round ball only no Sabot's, bullet can't be more than twice the length of the diameter. No smokeless poweder of pellets, and no optics unless you are handicapped with vision that can't be corrected to 20/30.

Cool ML for sure and they aren't the only ones that build LR ML's. There are several companies out there that build them. Some guys have been successful out past 500 yards with them.

Scorch · February 18, 2013, 04:09 AM

All I can say is: remember that thing about Newton's Laws? You know, the "equal and opposite" part? 6,000 ft-lbs of energy? How much recoil do you think that rifle would have? 275 gr bullet at over 3,100 fps is faster than a 378 Weatherby. Let me suggest that the recoil will keep you from shooting very many rounds.

kraigwy · February 18, 2013, 09:42 AM

Maybe I'm missing something here.

From what I read on that site is it uses smokeless powder and rifle primers.

Based on common rifles (Remington 700s, Ruger #1, etc).

So it looks to me to be a rifle modified to shoot without a cartridge case with a higher price.

It shoots a 275 - 300 grn bullet faster about 500 fps faster then a 375 H&H or 300 fps faster then a 378 Weatherby Magnum.

I don't know of anything on this planet the H&H or Weatherby would kill so it looks to me the only advantage of this super muzzle loader is..................well no, I don't think I see an advantage.

I bet it would hurt though.

February 16, 2013, 12:50 PM	#2
scrubcedar Senior Member Join Date: May 3, 2012 Location: Southwestern Colorado Posts: 507	Drooling (chin wiping) more drooling. The rifle based off of the ruger no.1, lots more drooling. Wow, and some of them are downright beautiful as well. __________________ Gaily bedight, A gallant knight In sunshine and in shadow, Had journeyed long, Singing a song, In search of El Dorado

February 17, 2013, 06:28 PM	#3
taylorce1 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2005 Location: On the Santa Fe Trail Posts: 8,248	Check the regulations in your State before buying one. Where I live you can't use a muzzle loader like that. Full bore bullets or round ball only no Sabot's, bullet can't be more than twice the length of the diameter. No smokeless poweder of pellets, and no optics unless you are handicapped with vision that can't be corrected to 20/30. Cool ML for sure and they aren't the only ones that build LR ML's. There are several companies out there that build them. Some guys have been successful out past 500 yards with them. __________________ NRA Life Member

February 18, 2013, 04:09 AM	#4
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 15,248	All I can say is: remember that thing about Newton's Laws? You know, the "equal and opposite" part? 6,000 ft-lbs of energy? How much recoil do you think that rifle would have? 275 gr bullet at over 3,100 fps is faster than a 378 Weatherby. Let me suggest that the recoil will keep you from shooting very many rounds. __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services

February 18, 2013, 09:42 AM	#5
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11,061	Maybe I'm missing something here. From what I read on that site is it uses smokeless powder and rifle primers. Based on common rifles (Remington 700s, Ruger #1, etc). So it looks to me to be a rifle modified to shoot without a cartridge case with a higher price. It shoots a 275 - 300 grn bullet faster about 500 fps faster then a 375 H&H or 300 fps faster then a 378 Weatherby Magnum. I don't know of anything on this planet the H&H or Weatherby would kill so it looks to me the only advantage of this super muzzle loader is..................well no, I don't think I see an advantage. I bet it would hurt though. __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071

February 16, 2013, 12:11 PM	#1
Daekar Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 2011 Posts: 458	Bad Bull Muzzleloaders: Holy Smokes! http://www.badbullmuzzleloaders.com A buddy of mine showed me the website above, and he's all excited about getting one of those rifles. They're cool, no doubt about that, but I can't help thinking that he's going to be using reduced loads in short order... they claim 6000 ft*lbs at the muzzle using a 300 gr. bullet! That's like two 30-06 going off at once! What do you guys think? __________________ "... I cannot but conclude the bulk of your [politicians] to be the most pernicious race of little odious vermin that nature ever suffered to crawl upon the surface of the earth." ~ Jonathon Swift