Trespassing... - Page 3

Capt. Charlie · April 30, 2005, 06:49 PM

Oh that it were that simple, to predict where the "fields o' plenty" are, that is. Remember that these guys are trying to place them where they won't be found, so you can play the odds that it'll be someplace remote. The DEA fly guys tell me that marijuana plants are easily spotted from the air and they do occasional fly-overs of the rural areas around here. Sometimes the growers will place their plants randomly interspersed with weeds along a creek bank, etc., to make them more difficult to spot. The only rule of thumb I can give you is that the growers usually booby trap the perimeters of their plots, so if you stumble on a field of it, act like you're in a mine field ('cause maybe you are), turn about and retrace your exact steps out of there examining the ground of each step before you put your foot down, and don't touch anything. I attended an explosives and booby trap seminar a few years ago, and they demonstrated one really nasty device that was favored by Calif. growers in the late 70's & 80's. It consisted of a piece of 2x4 with an "L" bracket screwed to it. A couple of hose clamps held a 6" piece of 3/4" diameter steel pipe to the other leg of the bracket. On the other side of the 2x4 was a Victor's rat trap. A hole was drilled through the 2x4 directly under where the killing bar would strike, and out the other side dead center in the pipe. The pipe is loaded with a 12 ga. shell and a 10 penny nail is placed in the hole for a firing pin. Some fine monofiliment fishing line is tied to the trap's trigger and strung across a path. Trip the line and the trap goes off driving the nail into the shotgun shell's primer, and... boom!

There were lots of other ingenius devices there too used to maime and kill. After that seminar, I walked in the woods feeling like I was on point in Viet Nam. Not cool!

eka · April 30, 2005, 07:17 PM

"I attended an explosives and booby trap seminar a few years ago, and they demonstrated one really nasty device that was favored by Calif. growers in the late 70's & 80's. "

Maybe it's just me, but ideas, concepts, and intelligence gathered and presented at LE training seminars is probably not appropriate for internet forums. I'm just surmising this info. came from LE training. Anyway, sounds like a great way to give somebody a stupid idea.

Capt. Charlie · April 30, 2005, 09:12 PM

That would be true... IF info on this and other nasty surprises weren't readily available on the Internet. (do a search on booby traps and see what I mean). Hell, you can get the plans to build a nuclear bomb if you want them! But trust me; there are other little secrets I have no plans on divulging

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3 weelin geezer · May 1, 2005, 03:59 AM

Why waste perfectly good ammo on trespassers? What are they gonna do to me? Steal my desert? If someone wants a piece of my land, by all means take it as long as it contains some cactus or a nest of ants or infernal grass that can't be killed or whatever else irritates me and gets in the way of my trike riding pleasure. If someone takes an inch off the top there is still what, 20 miles of solid rock before it hits magma. So, an inch is not all that. Besides, the wind puts it back real soon.

Trainman · May 1, 2005, 08:45 AM

A lot of good questions to be prepared to answer when it comes to the use of deadly force. I remember a scene from the Clint Eastwood movie "The Unforgiven":

Bill Munny: Hell of a thing, killin' a man. Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have.
The Schofield Kid: Yeah, well, I guess he had it comin'.
Bill Munny: We all got it comin', kid.

Terry Twit · May 1, 2005, 09:01 AM

That shell/rattrap stuff is old news...we were doing that in junior high school.

eka · May 1, 2005, 09:03 AM

Maybe like I say, it is just me and not anything wrong with it, but as far as I am concerned I would just as soon let them get the info. somewhere else. I know it's out there; I just wouldn't feel comfortable putting it out there.

k_dawg · May 1, 2005, 11:33 AM

"Dying ain't much of a liv'in, kid."

Capt. Charlie · May 1, 2005, 12:06 PM

Quote:

That shell/rattrap stuff is old news...we were doing that in junior high school.

Yes it is, or I wouldn't be posting it. Junior High School? Uh... Just what, exactly, were you doing with it?

Terry Twit · May 1, 2005, 12:09 PM

Making booby traps, of course. I grew up with Gung-Ho Magazine, the old SWAT, Soldier of Fiction, Mack Bolan, Hawker, Remo Williams, and Dan Track!

Capt. Charlie · May 1, 2005, 12:22 PM

Just havin' a little fun with ya Terry!

I experimented with all kinds of crazy things as a kid. A bunch of us were into making home made "war" movies with a super 8 movie camera (remember those?). We simulated explosions by digging a narrow hole in the ground and placing an M-80 under a little juice can of gasoline. Can't believe I lived to adulthood

. Never did win an Emmy, though. (Or an award for good common sense)

Terry Twit · May 1, 2005, 12:35 PM

God, I thought I was the only one who did that! I had a wind up Super 8 that my grandpa gave me...there are probably still some movies around here somewhere...

April 30, 2005, 06:49 PM	#51
Capt. Charlie Moderator Emeritus Join Date: March 24, 2005 Location: Steubenville, OH Posts: 4,446	Shootinstudent Oh that it were that simple, to predict where the "fields o' plenty" are, that is. Remember that these guys are trying to place them where they won't be found, so you can play the odds that it'll be someplace remote. The DEA fly guys tell me that marijuana plants are easily spotted from the air and they do occasional fly-overs of the rural areas around here. Sometimes the growers will place their plants randomly interspersed with weeds along a creek bank, etc., to make them more difficult to spot. The only rule of thumb I can give you is that the growers usually booby trap the perimeters of their plots, so if you stumble on a field of it, act like you're in a mine field ('cause maybe you are), turn about and retrace your exact steps out of there examining the ground of each step before you put your foot down, and don't touch anything. I attended an explosives and booby trap seminar a few years ago, and they demonstrated one really nasty device that was favored by Calif. growers in the late 70's & 80's. It consisted of a piece of 2x4 with an "L" bracket screwed to it. A couple of hose clamps held a 6" piece of 3/4" diameter steel pipe to the other leg of the bracket. On the other side of the 2x4 was a Victor's rat trap. A hole was drilled through the 2x4 directly under where the killing bar would strike, and out the other side dead center in the pipe. The pipe is loaded with a 12 ga. shell and a 10 penny nail is placed in the hole for a firing pin. Some fine monofiliment fishing line is tied to the trap's trigger and strung across a path. Trip the line and the trap goes off driving the nail into the shotgun shell's primer, and... boom! There were lots of other ingenius devices there too used to maime and kill. After that seminar, I walked in the woods feeling like I was on point in Viet Nam. Not cool! __________________ TFL Members are ambassadors to the world for firearm owners. What kind of ambassador does *your* post make *you?* I train in earnest, to do the things that I pray in earnest, I'll never have to do. --Capt. Charlie

April 30, 2005, 07:17 PM	#52
eka Senior Member Join Date: July 3, 2004 Posts: 235	"I attended an explosives and booby trap seminar a few years ago, and they demonstrated one really nasty device that was favored by Calif. growers in the late 70's & 80's. " Maybe it's just me, but ideas, concepts, and intelligence gathered and presented at LE training seminars is probably not appropriate for internet forums. I'm just surmising this info. came from LE training. Anyway, sounds like a great way to give somebody a stupid idea. __________________ EKA Sic Semper Tyrannis

April 30, 2005, 09:12 PM	#53
Capt. Charlie Moderator Emeritus Join Date: March 24, 2005 Location: Steubenville, OH Posts: 4,446	Eka That would be true... IF info on this and other nasty surprises weren't readily available on the Internet. (do a search on booby traps and see what I mean). Hell, you can get the plans to build a nuclear bomb if you want them! But trust me; there are other little secrets I have no plans on divulging . __________________ TFL Members are ambassadors to the world for firearm owners. What kind of ambassador does *your* post make *you?* I train in earnest, to do the things that I pray in earnest, I'll never have to do. --Capt. Charlie

May 1, 2005, 09:03 AM	#57
eka Senior Member Join Date: July 3, 2004 Posts: 235	Maybe like I say, it is just me and not anything wrong with it, but as far as I am concerned I would just as soon let them get the info. somewhere else. I know it's out there; I just wouldn't feel comfortable putting it out there. __________________ EKA Sic Semper Tyrannis

May 1, 2005, 12:22 PM	#61
Capt. Charlie Moderator Emeritus Join Date: March 24, 2005 Location: Steubenville, OH Posts: 4,446	Just havin' a little fun with ya Terry! I experimented with all kinds of crazy things as a kid. A bunch of us were into making home made "war" movies with a super 8 movie camera (remember those?). We simulated explosions by digging a narrow hole in the ground and placing an M-80 under a little juice can of gasoline. Can't believe I lived to adulthood . Never did win an Emmy, though. (Or an award for good common sense) __________________ TFL Members are ambassadors to the world for firearm owners. What kind of ambassador does *your* post make *you?* I train in earnest, to do the things that I pray in earnest, I'll never have to do. --Capt. Charlie

May 1, 2005, 03:59 AM	#54
3 weelin geezer Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2004 Posts: 438	Why waste perfectly good ammo on trespassers? What are they gonna do to me? Steal my desert? If someone wants a piece of my land, by all means take it as long as it contains some cactus or a nest of ants or infernal grass that can't be killed or whatever else irritates me and gets in the way of my trike riding pleasure. If someone takes an inch off the top there is still what, 20 miles of solid rock before it hits magma. So, an inch is not all that. Besides, the wind puts it back real soon.

May 1, 2005, 08:45 AM	#55
Trainman Member Join Date: April 3, 2005 Posts: 63	A lot of good questions to be prepared to answer when it comes to the use of deadly force. I remember a scene from the Clint Eastwood movie "The Unforgiven": Bill Munny: Hell of a thing, killin' a man. Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have. The Schofield Kid: Yeah, well, I guess he had it comin'. Bill Munny: We all got it comin', kid.

May 1, 2005, 09:01 AM	#56
Terry Twit Junior member Join Date: April 25, 2005 Posts: 61	That shell/rattrap stuff is old news...we were doing that in junior high school.

May 1, 2005, 11:33 AM	#58
k_dawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2004 Posts: 563	"Dying ain't much of a liv'in, kid."

May 1, 2005, 12:09 PM	#60
Terry Twit Junior member Join Date: April 25, 2005 Posts: 61	Making booby traps, of course. I grew up with Gung-Ho Magazine, the old SWAT, Soldier of Fiction, Mack Bolan, Hawker, Remo Williams, and Dan Track!

May 1, 2005, 12:35 PM	#62
Terry Twit Junior member Join Date: April 25, 2005 Posts: 61	God, I thought I was the only one who did that! I had a wind up Super 8 that my grandpa gave me...there are probably still some movies around here somewhere...

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