What States are full auto legal states?

uzi4me · October 5, 2001, 06:50 PM

Whoever is reading this.. if you know of any state where you can legally own a full auto weapon, registered or not... please list below .. i need to know where the closest full auto legal state is .. so i can move there .. i'm getting real sick of NY gun laws lately .. thanks in advance..

bastiat · October 5, 2001, 07:51 PM

This might give you an answer faster: http://www.nra-ila.org/GunLaws.asp?FormMode=state

MeekAndMild · October 6, 2001, 12:10 PM

Looking at the NRA site I'd say there might be an island of sanity to the northeast, ie Vermont, NH and Maine.

I wonder how it is that corporations are able to skirt the NY law and have MGs for their security forces?

cmax2000 · October 6, 2001, 07:15 PM

georgia is a good state that knows that only legal people will have guns...it is our right....guns are not the problem...some people are. you may own guns here. I WOULD RUN FROM A STATE THAT HAD A CLINTON AS A SENTOR (or anything else)!!!

uzi4me · November 27, 2001, 09:52 AM

i was born and bred here .. its tough to pack up and leave your family and a 25 dollar an hour job just to go to a full auto state.. .or a firearms 'neutral' state .. trust me .. if i ever come across any large sum of money that allows me to break free from my financial obligations .. im movin .. without a second thought .. vermont is a beautiful state, and the gun laws are some of the most sensable of all firearms neutral states ... ahh.. to bad money is so important in life ...

AugustWest · November 27, 2001, 04:46 PM

Northern New England may be an island of sanity, but down here...

Properly registered, full-auto only guns are allowed. But if they have selective fire capabilities (Full and Burst and/or Semi) they're "assault weapons," and therefore illegal.

USMCsilver · November 28, 2001, 09:07 AM

The law passed in SC on Sept. 1st of this year. We are full auto now!

Tamara · November 29, 2001, 10:13 AM

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vermont is a beautiful state, and the gun laws are some of the most sensable of all firearms neutral states .

In the FFL packet is a booklet with the gun laws of all 50 states.

Those of IL, CA, NJ, MA and NY are chapters unto themselves.

Tennessee's take up several pages, as do those of Texas.

Even Georgia's and Arizona's are 2 or 3 pages long.

Vermont's is not quite one page.

Why does it have to be so cold up there?

swampgator · November 29, 2001, 12:18 PM

You can't get any warmer than Florida. 77 right now. Probably be able to go swimming on Christmas!

Tamara · November 29, 2001, 12:46 PM

Yes, but FL doesn't have permit-free CCW and VT does. The only state left that treats you like an adult with respect to guns and it's a friggin' icebox for half of the year...

swampgator · November 30, 2001, 05:03 AM

At least I don't have to purchase winter clothing!

mussi · December 1, 2001, 06:47 AM

One can't have everything.

Either you get liberal gun laws, or you don't. They don't come cheap, however. I'd love Vermont since I like skiing.

RAThomas · December 1, 2001, 05:12 PM

The state of Kansas does not allow the private ownership of fully auto weapons. The last I heard there are seven states that do not allow us to own them, KS being one. I understand or have been told you may make an application for a variant to the state attorney general and might get to own one. A close friend of mine that I have know for a long time says that he knows someone that has done this.

If you are passing through the state and fill out all of the paper work as you should then you may be in the state for eight hours with the fully auto weapon. We are short North & South, but long East & West. Just hope someone does not have to stay overnight. The eight hour part was told to me by a person from out of state that has full autos and I have to go with their knowledge of the subject.

UltimaThule · December 2, 2001, 06:56 PM

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and it's a friggin' icebox for half of the year...

You think that's cold? I've been in Vermont and it looked like a very nice place. The more I hear about the laws there, the nicer it seems. And it's 15 or so degrees of latitude to the south of here. I just saw that the lowest temperature registered in Norway in November was -32C, that's -26F. Not that I'm complaining, I don't expect temperatures like that in my part of the country for at least another couple of weeks

If there is a point to this post, I guess it is that we have some of the best gun-laws in Europe, along with Switzerland and Finland. More snow - better laws? Doesn't Alaska have a decent climate (for guns, that is)?

uzi4me · December 3, 2001, 09:48 AM

QUESTION .. i havent done a search yet because of the search being disabled, but FOR ALL HERE WHO ARE IN EUROPE OR OUTSIDE OF THE US ...
how are your gun laws ?...
hey ultimathule, your from norway ..
can you give a brief detailed example of your country's gun laws ?.. also maybe some other countrys gun laws you are very familiar with ?.. anyone else ?..

Jonesy9 · December 3, 2001, 11:56 PM

VT, NH and ME are good as stated. Mass. totally depends on your local police chiefs discretion. Whereas anyone living near a city will have trouble getting a CCW, the guys out in the sticks can get class 3's easily. It all depends on the town.

brandon_h3 · December 6, 2001, 05:59 PM

You Florida folk call anything above 70 hot! LOL It was 80 today in south Louisiana, and that's a nice muggy 80, feels like September not December!

swampgator · December 7, 2001, 02:51 AM

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You Florida folk call anything above 70 hot! LOL It was 80 today in south Louisiana, and that's a nice muggy 80, feels like September not December!

Not saying we are the hottest, just making the statement that I don't own much winter clothing! It was high 70s/low 80s today. Probably will have the a/c on during christmas.

brandon_h3 · December 7, 2001, 03:10 AM

Enjoy the warm weather. It won't last long! It'll get colder than an anti's statements about the 2nd amendment!

Robert J McElwain · December 7, 2001, 10:48 AM

<The state of Kansas does not allow the private ownership of fully auto weapons. The last I heard there are seven states that do not allow us to own them, KS being one. I understand or have been told you may make an application for a variant to the state attorney general and might get to own one. A close friend of mine that I have know for a long time says that he knows someone that has done this. >

Hell! Here in Kansas, we don't even have CCW. We're one of the few left. OTOH, I'm a rangemaster at one of the local clubs, and I've seen a few guns that are normally full auto that have been reworked to semi. They look like fun guns either way. One guy had a Mac 10 and what looked like an Uzi the other day, both firing semi auto.

Bob

10 X · December 10, 2001, 08:19 AM

Montana is a good state for ownership. We have a good select fire clause.

"A machine gun is defined as a weapon of any description by whatever name known, loaded or unloaded, from which more than six shots or bullets may be rapidly, automatically, or semiautomatically discharged from a magazine by a single function of the firing device."

I love it here!

johelin · December 17, 2001, 10:52 PM

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If there is a point to this post, I guess it is that we have some of the best gun-laws in Europe, along with Switzerland and Finland. More snow - better laws? Doesn't Alaska have a decent climate (for guns, that is)?

Finland - some of the best gunlaws ? This may be true, but only for the experienced. Starting isn't easy.

There are over 2 million private guns for the population of 5 million. There are about 400000 persons who own guns.

Permit to buy must be asked for each gun separately. Purchase of a gun part (the one holding the pressure) must be notified.
One has to prove the need for the gun. Usually it is hunting or shooting, in rare cases job or collecting. Full-auto guns are for collectors only.

A self-defense isn't a legitimate reason, as usual in Europe, to get a firearm. One may apply for a permit to carry tear gas/OC if necessary for self-defense. In practice, armed self-defense will cause some jail time (1-3 years) and lose of all gun permits. It's cheaper to let someone mug or rob you.

Pistols or revolvers that fit in the box of 130mmX180 mm (140X190 for revolvers) are considered as pocket guns and therefore possible to get only for job or collecting.

Positive thing is that guns are not (supposed to be) treated by their looks. No restrictions on airguns, magazine sizes, suppressors, bayonets, stocks (except legal length), forward handles or countries of origin.

Some time ago, I read from steps required to get a class 3 license. Somehow it didn't feel very difficult.

For every permit you have to through the following

- get the permit form from the police (possible through the net too)
- fill it and get the papers to proof the need
- take these to the police, pay 160 FIM (~ 25USD)
- wait from 1 day to 2 weeks
- get the permit to buy (3 parts), valid for 6 months
- buy the gun (1 part for the seller to send to the police, 2 for you)
- go to the police station to show your gun, they check the type and serial number (1 part for police, 1 for you as temporary license)
- wait 4 weeks
- go and get your final plastic permit, same size as a credit card

In Sweden laws are more or less similar. I remember that there a hunter could get 6 guns with his first permit. After six it was more difficult.

I could use some more freedom...

flusher · December 18, 2001, 09:52 PM

Would you believe connecticut is Full auto only

johelin · December 18, 2001, 11:00 PM

You mean select-fire is not allowed. Why ?

Is there some reason for it ? Or just because the state says it's so.

I could live with full-auto only.

Hkmp5sd · December 20, 2001, 07:23 AM

Tamara,

Florida may not have a FREE CCW, but for less than $100 for a 5 year license, I'll waste the money and stay SNOW FREE.

P.S. Floridian's don't call >70 hot, we call anything <90 COLD.

October 5, 2001, 06:50 PM	#1
uzi4me Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2001 Location: Albany, NY area Posts: 151	What States are full auto legal states? Whoever is reading this.. if you know of any state where you can legally own a full auto weapon, registered or not... please list below .. i need to know where the closest full auto legal state is .. so i can move there .. i'm getting real sick of NY gun laws lately .. thanks in advance..

October 5, 2001, 07:51 PM	#2
bastiat Senior Member Join Date: February 14, 2001 Posts: 1,771	This might give you an answer faster: http://www.nra-ila.org/GunLaws.asp?FormMode=state __________________ Flashbunny.org - Pro-Freedom Propaganda Politically Incorrect & Pro-Gun Stuff To Buy

October 6, 2001, 07:15 PM	#4
cmax2000 Member Join Date: August 25, 2001 Posts: 39	georgia georgia is a good state that knows that only legal people will have guns...it is our right....guns are not the problem...some people are. you may own guns here. I WOULD RUN FROM A STATE THAT HAD A CLINTON AS A SENTOR (or anything else)!!!

November 29, 2001, 12:18 PM	#9
swampgator Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 1999 Location: Gatorville, Florida Posts: 619	Tamara, You can't get any warmer than Florida. 77 right now. Probably be able to go swimming on Christmas! __________________ www.afn.org/~guns

November 29, 2001, 12:46 PM	#10
Tamara Moderator Emeritus Join Date: March 11, 2000 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 16,002	Yes, but FL doesn't have permit-free CCW and VT does. The only state left that treats you like an adult with respect to guns and it's a friggin' icebox for half of the year... __________________ MOLON LABE! 2% Unobtainium, 98% Hypetanium. The Arms Room: An Online Museum.

October 6, 2001, 12:10 PM	#3
MeekAndMild Senior Member Join Date: August 2, 2001 Posts: 4,988	Looking at the NRA site I'd say there might be an island of sanity to the northeast, ie Vermont, NH and Maine. I wonder how it is that corporations are able to skirt the NY law and have MGs for their security forces?

November 27, 2001, 09:52 AM	#5
uzi4me Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2001 Location: Albany, NY area Posts: 151	i was born and bred here .. its tough to pack up and leave your family and a 25 dollar an hour job just to go to a full auto state.. .or a firearms 'neutral' state .. trust me .. if i ever come across any large sum of money that allows me to break free from my financial obligations .. im movin .. without a second thought .. vermont is a beautiful state, and the gun laws are some of the most sensable of all firearms neutral states ... ahh.. to bad money is so important in life ...

November 27, 2001, 04:46 PM	#6
AugustWest Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2001 Location: Western Connecticut Posts: 212	Northern New England may be an island of sanity, but down here... Properly registered, full-auto only guns are allowed. But if they have selective fire capabilities (Full and Burst and/or Semi) they're "assault weapons," and therefore illegal.

November 28, 2001, 09:07 AM	#7
USMCsilver Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 2001 Location: Middle of SC Posts: 246	The law passed in SC on Sept. 1st of this year. We are full auto now!

November 30, 2001, 05:03 AM	#11
swampgator Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 1999 Location: Gatorville, Florida Posts: 619	Well..... At least I don't have to purchase winter clothing! __________________ www.afn.org/~guns

December 1, 2001, 06:47 AM	#12
mussi Senior Member Join Date: January 17, 2000 Location: Berne, Switzerland Posts: 757	One can't have everything. Either you get liberal gun laws, or you don't. They don't come cheap, however. I'd love Vermont since I like skiing.

December 1, 2001, 05:12 PM	#13
RAThomas Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 1999 Location: Olathe, KS USA Posts: 129	The state of Kansas does not allow the private ownership of fully auto weapons. The last I heard there are seven states that do not allow us to own them, KS being one. I understand or have been told you may make an application for a variant to the state attorney general and might get to own one. A close friend of mine that I have know for a long time says that he knows someone that has done this. If you are passing through the state and fill out all of the paper work as you should then you may be in the state for eight hours with the fully auto weapon. We are short North & South, but long East & West. Just hope someone does not have to stay overnight. The eight hour part was told to me by a person from out of state that has full autos and I have to go with their knowledge of the subject.

December 3, 2001, 09:48 AM	#15
uzi4me Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2001 Location: Albany, NY area Posts: 151	QUESTION .. i havent done a search yet because of the search being disabled, but FOR ALL HERE WHO ARE IN EUROPE OR OUTSIDE OF THE US ... how are your gun laws ?... hey ultimathule, your from norway .. can you give a brief detailed example of your country's gun laws ?.. also maybe some other countrys gun laws you are very familiar with ?.. anyone else ?..

December 3, 2001, 11:56 PM	#16
Jonesy9 Junior Member Join Date: September 22, 2001 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 6	VT, NH and ME are good as stated. Mass. totally depends on your local police chiefs discretion. Whereas anyone living near a city will have trouble getting a CCW, the guys out in the sticks can get class 3's easily. It all depends on the town.

December 6, 2001, 05:59 PM	#17
brandon_h3 Junior member Join Date: June 3, 2001 Posts: 226	Hot? You Florida folk call anything above 70 hot! LOL It was 80 today in south Louisiana, and that's a nice muggy 80, feels like September not December!

December 7, 2001, 03:10 AM	#19
brandon_h3 Junior member Join Date: June 3, 2001 Posts: 226	I agree...... Enjoy the warm weather. It won't last long! It'll get colder than an anti's statements about the 2nd amendment!

December 7, 2001, 10:48 AM	#20
Robert J McElwain Senior Member Join Date: July 13, 2001 Location: Kansas City area Posts: 241	<The state of Kansas does not allow the private ownership of fully auto weapons. The last I heard there are seven states that do not allow us to own them, KS being one. I understand or have been told you may make an application for a variant to the state attorney general and might get to own one. A close friend of mine that I have know for a long time says that he knows someone that has done this. > Hell! Here in Kansas, we don't even have CCW. We're one of the few left. OTOH, I'm a rangemaster at one of the local clubs, and I've seen a few guns that are normally full auto that have been reworked to semi. They look like fun guns either way. One guy had a Mac 10 and what looked like an Uzi the other day, both firing semi auto. Bob __________________ Robert J. McElwain "The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." ~Thomas Jefferson

December 10, 2001, 08:19 AM	#21
10 X Member Join Date: August 27, 2001 Location: Kalispell Posts: 26	Montana is a good state for ownership. We have a good select fire clause. "A machine gun is defined as a weapon of any description by whatever name known, loaded or unloaded, from which more than six shots or bullets may be rapidly, automatically, or semiautomatically discharged from a magazine by a single function of the firing device." I love it here! __________________ 10 X HP 9mm AK-47, SKS "Double tap em till their down! "God Bless America!"

December 18, 2001, 09:52 PM	#23
flusher Senior Member Join Date: January 15, 2001 Location: Connecticut Posts: 219	Would you believe connecticut is Full auto only

December 18, 2001, 11:00 PM	#24
johelin Member Join Date: December 17, 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 52	You mean select-fire is not allowed. Why ? Is there some reason for it ? Or just because the state says it's so. I could live with full-auto only.

December 20, 2001, 07:23 AM	#25
Hkmp5sd Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2001 Location: Winter Haven, Florida Posts: 4,303	Tamara, Florida may not have a FREE CCW, but for less than $100 for a 5 year license, I'll waste the money and stay SNOW FREE. P.S. Floridian's don't call >70 hot, we call anything <90 COLD.