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November 17, 2015, 12:46 AM | #26 | |
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I've seen amazingly consistent flinches that repeatedly put all the shots off to one side, or off one way in elevation. Until the group sizes shrink down and flinching can be ruled out, it's not really possible to know if the reason the POI and POA don't line up is due to a sight adjustment issue.
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November 17, 2015, 08:24 AM | #27 | |||
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If need be I'd say adjust now and then revisit as the OP's experience/skill improves. That's the beautiful thing about dovetails, it's not a permanent setting. And again, practice with snap caps, other shooters, these are all other measures that can be taken.
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If a shooter can see well enough to align the sights properly, and doesn't have a physical problem that prevents him/her from holding the gun steady, then the only reason for large groups at 21 feet is flinching. Quote:
A person who has a consistent flinch can adjust the sights and get the groups to line up with the point of aim. In my opinion that's like just putting a bandaid on a wound that's serious enough to need real attention. The flinch needs to be addressed. The reason you want small groups is so you know for sure that you're adjusting the sights to compensate for a misalignment in the firearm as opposed to adjusting them to compensate for a flinch. Quote:
Ok, all that said, if a person is trying to diagnose a problem with the goal of discovering whether there's an issue with the firearm, then it is important to get small groups to eliminate the shooter as the actual source of the problem.
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November 17, 2015, 04:53 PM | #29 | |||||
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Rear sight to the right or Front to the left.
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It certainly makes the diagnosis more accurate, but again sometimes you make do with what you have. Last edited by TunnelRat; November 17, 2015 at 09:31 PM. |
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November 17, 2015, 08:16 PM | #30 | |
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The symptom is the POA/POI discrepancy. One can describe the symptoms without any clue as to what's causing the problem. (e.g. Don't know what's causing it, but the POI is off 8 inches to the left.) The diagnosis tells you the underlying cause of the discrepancy. (e.g. The barrel is misaligned. The sights are misaligned. The shooter is flinching. The shooter is visually misaligning the sights. etc.) Actually making a diagnosis requires eliminating enough variables that you can determine what's causing the problem. Adjusting the sights without determining the underlying cause of the POA/POI discrepancy is treating the symptoms without making a diagnosis. As I said, there's merit to that in terms of getting immediate results, but that shouldn't be confused with actually being able to nail down a diagnosis.
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November 17, 2015, 08:34 PM | #31 | |
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I really don't think that's it at all. I think I've used up enough of this thread. I hope the OP found any of my comments helpful. Have a nice day. Last edited by TunnelRat; November 17, 2015 at 08:44 PM. |
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November 17, 2015, 10:18 PM | #32 | |
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The OP made a diagnosis -- he saw that he was hitting to the left and that made him think the sights were misaligned. He adjusted the sights and that seemed to solve the problem. Your concern is that the OP may have made an incorrect diagnosis and fixed the wrong problem; we may never know. |
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November 17, 2015, 10:26 PM | #33 | |
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As soon as I know the solution to the problem so will you guys. I would also like to thank everyone helping. |
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November 17, 2015, 10:58 PM | #34 | ||
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http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&key...l_3s73mpjit2_b Model specific pushers, such as those by MGW, usually make drifting sights both easier and are often of better quality allowing for finer adjustments. Still $55 + shipping or so isn't too bad. My experience with the universal pushers is eventually the aluminum pusher block deforms, but that was after a lot of hard use. Something to consider maybe. Quote:
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November 18, 2015, 05:13 AM | #35 | |
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I ended up modifying some C clamps and you should have heard the crack sound when it finally came free and skipped a hair further. I eventually removed it and put superlube in the dovetail and that made moving a lot easier but still very snug. Now the front is centered but the rear has a top down screw that applies tension. Way easier. |
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