Sig p6 specials edition

33brian · August 20, 2013, 01:38 PM

Sig p6 special edition with gold trigger hammer decocker etc. 1/84 stamped on slide called sig man said their records didn't go back far enough for the serial # on this gun but the 1/84 should indicate that the gun is 1 of 84 total does anyone know anything about these guns and what kind of value it would have

carguychris · August 20, 2013, 02:31 PM

You will get MUCH better answers if you post pictures of the gun, along with any accessories, paperwork, packaging, etc. that accompany it.

It's also potentially important to know whether the gun shows evidence of having been fired; the value of many commemorative or special-edition guns drops sharply with use. Don't draw conclusions based on cleanliness; look for a case head impression on the breech face, finish wear on the barrel at the slide contact points (on a SIG, pay particular attention to the ejection port area), and scuff marks inside the mag well from repeated mag insertions. These signs are difficult to clean off or cover up.

33brian · August 20, 2013, 08:05 PM

The gun has been used its in great shape and shoots perfect and I can't figure out how to put a pic on here

carguychris · August 21, 2013, 09:31 AM

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I can't figure out how to put a pic on here

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wgsigs · August 21, 2013, 03:49 PM

Are you sure it is a special edition and not a regular P6 that someone has customized and maybe re-finished? I'm not sure why SIG would come out with a special edition of a regular mundane German police service pistol. Does the hammer still have a notch? I am inclined to believe the 1/84 on the slide is the date of manufacture. If it is on the right side that is where it normally is, along with the serial # (at least the last 3 digits), "P6", and either "NW" or "NRW" (the state of the issuing police department). 84 is kind of an unusual number for a special run. Of course if it comes with the box and appropriate papers, then that could help alleviate my skepticism. I hope you can get pictures up.

WVsig · August 21, 2013, 05:06 PM

My guess is that it is a P225 not a P6.

wgsigs · August 21, 2013, 09:33 PM

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My guess is that it is a P225 not a P6.

I didn't think of that possibility. But a special edition run of 84 P225s still seems like an odd number.

33brian · August 21, 2013, 10:28 PM

It doesn't look refinished it looks factory and I gave the serial number to sig they said their records didn't go back far enough to tell them when it was made I'm no expert and I really don't know for sure if someone customized it or not I'm just going by what the guy at sig told me about the 1/84 stamped on side I thought that maybe the odd number was because it was the one they issued to the leader of the squad or whatever they are called and they were 84 squads at the time it is stamped p6 on slide but I guess it could be a 225 ill try to get a pic up thanks everyone

wgsigs · August 22, 2013, 09:08 AM

SIG would not have any records of the P6 anyway even if they went back that far because they did not import the P6. Companies like PW Arms and C.A.I. were the ones who brought the P6s into the country, and one of their import marks will probably be on your gun. The P6 is a "surplus" German Police gun. There probably wouldn't even be any here in the U.S. if the German government had not switched the standard issue police pistol from the P6 (and Walther P5 and HK P7) to a newer model HK, creating an inventory of thousands of turned-in used pistols, mostly P6s.

If your gun is a P6, then the 1/84 is the date of manufacture although some have (3) German proof marks on the bottom front chin of the slide. The proof marks will usually include a two letter proof date code - "JE" would be the code for '84 - which would probably be the year of manufacture.

Here are a couple of pictures of typical P6s from the internet to show what I was talking about.

Walt Sherrill · August 23, 2013, 08:08 AM

As I understand it, the P6 was made made under a government contract for the West German government for police use. Special editions are typically "civilian" guns. I haven't heard of many other Special Editions based on SIGs from that period, and certainly based on a very basic military/police gun; the fact that I've not heard of it doesn't tell you much -- but the "Gold" accents seem totally out of character for the gun and the original market. (Beretta released a civilian version of the M9 in a commemorative set, but the market for that gun was arguably large. That said, I don't think I saw more than one...)

A "Special Edition" of anything that old, and based on what is essentially a police/military (perhaps surplus) weapon, screams "importer modification" or "marketing gimmick." The Beretta was released while the M9 was still in use! Add the Gold Accents, and the package seems even more quirky.

Maybe one of the companies that sell 1911s and Winchester Rifles as commemoratives (John Wayne Specials, or Vietnam War Specials) had a hand in this? I doubt it was done by SIG.

August 20, 2013, 01:38 PM	#1
33brian Junior Member Join Date: August 19, 2013 Posts: 3	Sig p6 specials edition Sig p6 special edition with gold trigger hammer decocker etc. 1/84 stamped on slide called sig man said their records didn't go back far enough for the serial # on this gun but the 1/84 should indicate that the gun is 1 of 84 total does anyone know anything about these guns and what kind of value it would have

August 20, 2013, 02:31 PM	#2
carguychris Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2007 Location: Richardson, TX Posts: 7,523	You will get MUCH better answers if you post pictures of the gun, along with any accessories, paperwork, packaging, etc. that accompany it. It's also potentially important to know whether the gun shows evidence of having been fired; the value of many commemorative or special-edition guns drops sharply with use. Don't draw conclusions based on cleanliness; look for a case head impression on the breech face, finish wear on the barrel at the slide contact points (on a SIG, pay particular attention to the ejection port area), and scuff marks inside the mag well from repeated mag insertions. These signs are difficult to clean off or cover up. __________________ "Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules... MARK IT ZERO!!" - Walter Sobchak

August 21, 2013, 03:49 PM	#5
wgsigs Senior Member Join Date: August 13, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 222	Are you sure it is a special edition and not a regular P6 that someone has customized and maybe re-finished? I'm not sure why SIG would come out with a special edition of a regular mundane German police service pistol. Does the hammer still have a notch? I am inclined to believe the 1/84 on the slide is the date of manufacture. If it is on the right side that is where it normally is, along with the serial # (at least the last 3 digits), "P6", and either "NW" or "NRW" (the state of the issuing police department). 84 is kind of an unusual number for a special run. Of course if it comes with the box and appropriate papers, then that could help alleviate my skepticism. I hope you can get pictures up. Last edited by wgsigs; August 21, 2013 at 03:55 PM.

August 21, 2013, 05:06 PM	#6
WVsig Senior Member Join Date: June 30, 2010 Location: NC Posts: 5,309	My guess is that it is a P225 not a P6. __________________ -The right to be left alone is the most comprehensive of rights, and the right most valued by free people.-Louis Brandeis -Its a tool box... I don't care you put the tools in for the job that's all... -Sam from Ronin -It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle

August 22, 2013, 09:08 AM	#9
wgsigs Senior Member Join Date: August 13, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 222	SIG would not have any records of the P6 anyway even if they went back that far because they did not import the P6. Companies like PW Arms and C.A.I. were the ones who brought the P6s into the country, and one of their import marks will probably be on your gun. The P6 is a "surplus" German Police gun. There probably wouldn't even be any here in the U.S. if the German government had not switched the standard issue police pistol from the P6 (and Walther P5 and HK P7) to a newer model HK, creating an inventory of thousands of turned-in used pistols, mostly P6s. If your gun is a P6, then the 1/84 is the date of manufacture although some have (3) German proof marks on the bottom front chin of the slide. The proof marks will usually include a two letter proof date code - "JE" would be the code for '84 - which would probably be the year of manufacture. Here are a couple of pictures of typical P6s from the internet to show what I was talking about. Last edited by wgsigs; August 22, 2013 at 10:45 AM.

August 20, 2013, 08:05 PM	#3
33brian Junior Member Join Date: August 19, 2013 Posts: 3	The gun has been used its in great shape and shoots perfect and I can't figure out how to put a pic on here

August 21, 2013, 10:28 PM	#8
33brian Junior Member Join Date: August 19, 2013 Posts: 3	It doesn't look refinished it looks factory and I gave the serial number to sig they said their records didn't go back far enough to tell them when it was made I'm no expert and I really don't know for sure if someone customized it or not I'm just going by what the guy at sig told me about the 1/84 stamped on side I thought that maybe the odd number was because it was the one they issued to the leader of the squad or whatever they are called and they were 84 squads at the time it is stamped p6 on slide but I guess it could be a 225 ill try to get a pic up thanks everyone

August 23, 2013, 08:08 AM	#10
Walt Sherrill Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 1999 Location: Winston-Salem, NC USA Posts: 6,348	As I understand it, the P6 was made made under a government contract for the West German government for police use. Special editions are typically "civilian" guns. I haven't heard of many other Special Editions based on SIGs from that period, and certainly based on a very basic military/police gun; the fact that I've not heard of it doesn't tell you much -- but the "Gold" accents seem totally out of character for the gun and the original market. (Beretta released a civilian version of the M9 in a commemorative set, but the market for that gun was arguably large. That said, I don't think I saw more than one...) A "Special Edition" of anything that old, and based on what is essentially a police/military (perhaps surplus) weapon, screams "importer modification" or "marketing gimmick." The Beretta was released while the M9 was still in use! Add the Gold Accents, and the package seems even more quirky. Maybe one of the companies that sell 1911s and Winchester Rifles as commemoratives (John Wayne Specials, or Vietnam War Specials) had a hand in this? I doubt it was done by SIG. Last edited by Walt Sherrill; August 23, 2013 at 10:36 AM.