|
Forum Rules | Firearms Safety | Firearms Photos | Links | Library | Lost Password | Email Changes |
Register | FAQ | Calendar | Search | Today's Posts | Mark Forums Read |
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
February 12, 2006, 07:00 PM | #1 |
Member
Join Date: January 23, 2006
Posts: 22
|
Do/should CCWs call the police after every incident?
I've read many incidents of people needing to draw on a threat, just to have the threat run away. However, I never read of whether or not they called the police afterwards. I don't have a permit (i'm 20, and in MD), so there is a lot I don't know about CCW. Is it a standard procedure to call the cops after every incident in which you need to draw?
|
February 12, 2006, 07:07 PM | #2 |
Senior Member
Join Date: February 20, 2005
Location: Mouth of the Rat, Florida
Posts: 1,778
|
We were instructed that any incident involving the drawing or display of your weapon requires that you call the police. Two reasons: First, the person you drew on can't claim you were brandishing and you have your side of the story on record, second: If there's a trouble maker out there, they want to talk to him before he accosts someone else. Just common sense really.
__________________
I grew up in New Jersey, but later moved to Florida and made a complete recovery. Keltec: The BIC lighter of handguns http://jkwasblog.blogspot.com/ |
February 12, 2006, 07:35 PM | #3 |
Senior Member
Join Date: October 13, 2004
Posts: 3,261
|
The Good Samaritan is the exception rather than the rule today. Lawsuits, video cameras, video vigilantes and the ignorant application of human rights to criminals demands we report. There are 2 sides, the one with the best documentation is often the one given credence, irregardless of truth.
|
February 12, 2006, 07:39 PM | #4 |
Senior Member
Join Date: December 22, 2004
Posts: 139
|
First one to call gets to set the tone for the rest of the story.
Which scenario below would you rather be in the middle of? You have to draw your weapon during a road rage incident, the other guy runs off. You call police, calmly describe the incident and give your name. You have to draw your weapon during a road rage incident, the other guy runs off but calls the cops, screaming about some guy in the intersection pulling a gun on him threatening to shoot everyone, and gives them your license plate. You think he's gonna tell the cops it was his fault? Would a couple minutes on the phone be worth it? Until and unless the other guy calls them they don't have a complainant anyway so nothing is going to happen to you. Be first to call in. |
February 12, 2006, 07:44 PM | #5 |
Member
Join Date: August 22, 2005
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 44
|
Absolutely, without question - do you want to be the one explaining why you were brandishing and making theatening gestures to all of the nice folks on the corner or in the convenience store? OR do you want to calmly call 911 and explain that you were threatened, stopped a crime, etc and would like a PO to come by and take a statement. It's much better doing it that way than being targeted for a felony stop by troopers or the police because 2 or 3 people called and claimed you are going to shoot up the area.
Action beats reaction - even for getting your side of the story out first!
__________________
NRA Instructor, RSO, Lifer |
February 12, 2006, 08:03 PM | #6 |
Senior Member
Join Date: June 9, 2001
Location: Lafayette, Indiana--American-occupied America
Posts: 5,418
|
Yes.
Do not believe the media/gun shop commando nonsense where people pull guns on each other and nothing happens.
__________________
"Arguments of policy must give way to a constitutional command." Payton v. New York, 445 U.S. 573, 602 (1980). |
February 12, 2006, 09:02 PM | #7 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 22, 2005
Location: USA The Great State of California
Posts: 2,090
|
Today, 07:35 PM #3
Sir William Senior Member ... "... the ignorant application of human rights to criminals ...." Is this another way of saying, "Justice is blind" ?
__________________
Hook686 When the number of people in institutions reaches 51%, we change sides. |
February 12, 2006, 09:07 PM | #8 |
Senior Member
Join Date: July 31, 2005
Posts: 372
|
Also give a description of YOURSELF. A LEO comming onto any scene that involves a gun won't know who's the "good guy or who's the bad guy", just that someone has a gun. Ask them (the 911 op) to give YOUR description to the responding officers, and that your the good guy...
|
February 12, 2006, 09:10 PM | #9 |
Member
Join Date: January 23, 2006
Posts: 22
|
Thanks for the info. For some reason, I never thought of it that way (the BG calling the cops on ME if I felt threatened and needed to draw). Learn something new everyday.
|
February 12, 2006, 09:44 PM | #10 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: December 23, 2004
Location: Western New York
Posts: 394
|
Quote:
In answer to your question, yes you better call the police because in New York State it's "illegal to point a handgun at another person for the sole purpose of intimidating or scaring that person". So the other guy will probably have you arrested for pointing the handgun at him! That's the way it is in NYS! |
|
February 12, 2006, 10:05 PM | #11 | ||
Senior Member
Join Date: December 22, 2004
Posts: 139
|
riverrat, you must not have anything better to do tonight, it's just an example of two different stories, not a tactics discussion or law class......
Ease up on the freaking out OK? Just to keep you happy let's pretend you're still in the car and blocked in by 3 pickups full of pissed off rednecks.... feel better with the "scenario"? And no you are not always justified in shooting just because you've drawn your gun, if you really want to hijack this guys thread. Pulling a gun is not always threatening deadly force. Oh you like bold too, so here...... Not all states have the same laws as you do in New York. Texas Penal Code: Quote:
Quote:
|
||
February 12, 2006, 11:53 PM | #12 |
Senior Member
Join Date: December 23, 2004
Location: Western New York
Posts: 394
|
TexasSIGMan,
Who's freaking out? I'm just expressing my opinion. I thought that was what this forum was all about. I didn't paint that "scenario" you did. Of course there could be a million different scenarios that would call for a million different reactions. I had no intention of hijacking this thread but you certainly jumped into it didn't you? When carrying a weapon one should be responsible enough to avoid unnecessary conflict, especially a road rage incident. I was trained to only point my firearm at something I planned on shooting. I do not go around waving my firearm around trying to scare people. Evidently you guys in Texas do it just for kicks. I guess down there if some guy just happens to walk up to you and looks suspicious you draw on him just to scare him away. In other words, it's OK to point your gun at someone just because you're afraid! Regardless if he's threatened you with physical bodily harm or not! I don't look for an excuse to shoot anyone. I've done it before and it's not a pleasant thing to do and I hope I don't have to do it again. If anything I'll do what ever I can do avoid a physical confrontation. You're so eager to point your handgun at everyone I'm wondering if you have the balls to actually pull the trigger! Respectfully, Riverrat66 PS, I've been carrying concealed for over 30 years, how about you? |
February 13, 2006, 12:07 AM | #13 |
Senior Member
Join Date: December 22, 2004
Posts: 139
|
riverrat, none of that addresses the topic. Scenarios used to contrast the topic are not that big a deal.
In a million different scenarios, the question of whether or not you should use the phone should always generate the same answer. If you draw your weapon, be the first to call it in. |
February 13, 2006, 12:41 AM | #14 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: December 23, 2004
Location: Western New York
Posts: 394
|
Quote:
|
|
February 13, 2006, 12:44 AM | #15 |
Senior Member
Join Date: December 22, 2004
Posts: 139
|
Cool No offense intended by the way.
|
February 13, 2006, 02:25 AM | #16 |
Registration in progress
Join Date: January 22, 2006
Location: Tampa, Fl
Posts: 56
|
I would recommend to all that you ALWAYS call the police after a minor incident. If you drive off there's really no chance of getting caught so just leave a little message. But it must be kept in mind nobody likes a tattle tale.
I never call the cops and regard as someone who does as an idiot. Take care of your own business...You are a big boy now... |
February 13, 2006, 02:48 AM | #17 | |
Member
Join Date: August 22, 2005
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 44
|
Quote:
Be my guest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And let us know how that works out for you!
__________________
NRA Instructor, RSO, Lifer |
|
February 13, 2006, 07:11 AM | #18 |
Senior Member
Join Date: March 23, 2005
Location: Florida
Posts: 103
|
ABSOLUTELY- If you don't want to risk going to jail when the other party beats you to the phone!
__________________
I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it. Beretta 92G 9mm SW1911PD .45 Ruger Security Six 6" .357 Ruger P345 .45ACP Romanian WASR-10 AK47 Benelli Super Black Eagle 12ga SS SW LS60 .357 Ruger .22 Race Rifle LE Kel-Tec P3AT .380 Benelli B76 9mm Remington 870 Tactical Green Sig 229SL-no rail |
February 13, 2006, 07:48 AM | #19 |
Senior Member
Join Date: January 30, 2006
Location: Broward County
Posts: 972
|
Let me add this. Even if somebody, who knows that you carry, only threatens to report that you've "pulled a gun on them" when you actually haven't you need to document that with the police, or with the civil courts (restraining order) IMMEDIATELY. If anybody else heard that threat, write it up and ask them to sign/notarize it.
In Florida, failure to do this exposes you to a mandatory 3 year prison sentence of which you must serve 100%. And Florida's relatively gun-friendly. So, if THAT can happen, you most certainly better report any instance wherein you need to legitimately use your gun as a defensive threat. You can be darn sure that if you don't, the police will suddenly become the BG's best friends, because he'll report it. I'm not a lawyer, but I have some..er..experience in this general area. |
February 13, 2006, 08:22 AM | #20 |
Senior Member
Join Date: April 26, 2005
Posts: 304
|
A phone is mandatory if you carry a gun, and if you can afford a gun, you can afford a phone.
You do not even need a "plan" or to be signed up with a carrier to be able to call 911 from a cell phone. All you need is a phone, signal, and a charged battery. invention_45: +1 for the documentation. If someone is out to make your life dificult and unpleasnt, leave a paper trail a mile long of you being the good guy/victim. A PPO is a good idea, as it casts a huge shadow of doubt on any future stunts by the other party, or any other party associated with them.
__________________
"Anarchism is founded on the observation that since few men are wise enough to rule themselves, even fewer are wise enough to rule others." - Edward Abbey |
February 13, 2006, 08:25 AM | #21 |
Senior Member
Join Date: March 21, 2005
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,265
|
Just my 2 cents, but sometimes Road Rage is not a 2 sided event. Someone may not like how you are driving, period. They may think you slighted them because they missed their turn and it is YOUR fault because you didn't know they were trying to cut across three lanes of traffic. Now it is YOUR fault they will miss their Gloria Estefan concert...
So they corner you up and then get out of the car. Do you sit there while they come up to the window with a tire iron? I say no. They present a bludgeoning weapon and you call 911 and draw. There is no reason that you should have to take them on or simply wait like a caged rat. You do NOT have to shoot immediately. If they see you unholster and run, does it mean you were not prepared to shoot? I could definately see the anti-testosterone effects of a muzzle coming up to a car window to take the steam out of the head of a puzzled asshat who thought he had the upper hand in this. He then suddenly realized he had to leave...NOW.
__________________
CZ 75B Stainless Beretta PX4 F Series 9mm & U22 Neos 6" black S&W Shield 9mm |
February 13, 2006, 09:10 AM | #22 |
Junior member
Join Date: July 17, 2004
Location: Florida
Posts: 82
|
Mark54g
I agree completely, I understand the premise of "don't pull your weapon unless you are ready to shoot" but obviously a situtation such as you described is the perfect scenario for not shooting. I don't think the law would look kindly on shooting somebody in the back as they run away from you. |
February 13, 2006, 10:15 AM | #23 |
Senior Member
Join Date: February 20, 2005
Location: Mouth of the Rat, Florida
Posts: 1,778
|
To me there is a difference between pulling a weapon and showing a weapon. If I was being approached in a parking lot, didn't like the looks of it, I would probably pull my gun, but keep it hidden behind me or in my pocket until i figured out what was going on. If no one saw it, I wouldn't report it.
__________________
I grew up in New Jersey, but later moved to Florida and made a complete recovery. Keltec: The BIC lighter of handguns http://jkwasblog.blogspot.com/ |
February 13, 2006, 12:42 PM | #24 | ||
Senior Member
Join Date: December 23, 2004
Location: Western New York
Posts: 394
|
Mark54g,
I agree but you are talking about yet another scenario. Someone coming at you with a tire iron does indeed "present a danger" and as you said "there is no reason that you should have to take them on or simply wait like a caged rat. " So what do you do? Either run or defend yourself! Well, you said you were cornered and this guy is full of "road rage" which in my understanding means he is totally out of control. Do you think pointing a gun at him will actually calm him down? He may get even madder and try to take the gun away from you and he may succeed because of that split second you're thinking about scaring him with the firearm not shooting. I was originally talking about standing in some intersection waving a firearm at some guy because he's hollering at you during his road rage incident. I just didn't think that was justification for drawing ones firearm. Quote:
Quote:
I agree 100% |
||
February 13, 2006, 06:30 PM | #25 |
Senior Member
Join Date: July 8, 2001
Location: North Central Florida & Miami
Posts: 3,208
|
the first 40 or 50 times I had to pull the Roscoe, yeah, I called the cops. Now though, I don't bother.
__________________
Nemo Me Impune Lacesset "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.".........Ronald Reagan |
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|