1851 navy cartridge conversion??? - Page 2

MJN77 · June 19, 2011, 04:15 PM

[QUOTEDoes anyone make a cartridge conversion of the 58 Remington.][/QUOTE]

http://www.taylorsfirearms.com/produ...Conversion.tpl

I have one of those too.(third one down) Good guns.

Hawg · June 19, 2011, 05:13 PM

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Does anyone make a cartridge conversion of the 58 Remington. I understand that's basically all the 75 new army is, but I've also never heard much good about the current production '75's so I wondered if a converted '58 might be better. Would this frame hold up to any hot ammo, or would this still be a cowboy only gun?

Yes but it's still a cowboy gun.

wolfe 21 · June 19, 2011, 05:58 PM

yeah, figured I'd still be stuck with the normal load restrictions for a blackpowder frame, but worth asking. Guess it's time for another blackhawk.

Fingers McGee · June 20, 2011, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfe 21

Does anyone make a cartridge conversion of the 58 Remington. I understand that's basically all the 75 new army is, but I've also never heard much good about the current production '75's so I wondered if a converted '58 might be better. Would this frame hold up to any hot ammo, or would this still be a cowboy only gun?

Uberti makes '58 conversions in 38 Spcl, 44-40, and 45 Colts that will handle any standard velocity smokeless factory round. They will not handle "High Velocity" or +P rounds - but then again a new Colt SAA won't either. BUffalo Arms carries the Cimarron line:

http://www.buffaloarms.com/Products.aspx?CAT=3958

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The cowboy loads I've experienced seem to not have much more pronounced recoil than a single six in .22 mag, just louder.

I don't know what cowboy loads you'rve experienced; I'm guessing someones downloaded .32s or .38s, or possible .45s, but 44-40 case full of T7 will rock your world out of a 5 1/2 inch barreled SAA. Per the Hodgdon site, 30 gr of FFG or FFFg T7 under a 200 gr RNFP leaves the barrel at 830 fps with 309 ft/lb of energy (if i did the math right) - not enough to make Major in IPSC; but not exactly a wimpy cowboy load either. The same 30 grain load under a 250 grain bullet in a 45 colt easily makes major.

Hawg · June 20, 2011, 04:00 PM

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I don't know what cowboy loads you'rve experienced; I'm guessing .32s or .38s, but 44-40 case full of T7 will rock your world in a 5 1/2 inch barrel.

A full case of Pyrodex in a 44-40 ain't too shabby.

wolfe 21 · June 20, 2011, 04:07 PM

Mine have all been factory loaded .45 colt. Honestly, I was more than a little disappointed the first couple times I fired my first .45. I was expecting something akin to the recoil of my .44 blackhawk and got something much milder than a .38 spl. Maybe the same as a 9mm, but not much more than that. My father told me about the .45 he owned just destroying an oak 2x4, but mine barely makes splinters on the back side of a similar target (difference between '70 and 2011 I guess).

I have no doubt that the .45 is capable of being quite a handful, just not in any of the loadings I've had experience with.
James.

wolfe 21 · June 20, 2011, 04:12 PM

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Per the Hodgdon site, 30 gr of FFG or FFFg T7 under a 200 gr RNFP leaves the barrel at 830 fps with 309 ft/lb of energy (if i did the math right) - not enough to make Major in IPSC; but not exactly a wimpy cowboy load either. The same 30 grain load under a 250 grain bullet in a 45 colt easily makes major.

How does the same amount of powder push a bigger bullet faster? Don't understand that.

James.

Fingers McGee · June 20, 2011, 04:17 PM

Power factor in IPSC is weight times velocity. 30 grains pushes both bullets approximately the same velocity. Heavier bullet = higher factor. Heavier bullet also equals highter kinetic energy.

wolfe 21 · June 20, 2011, 04:23 PM

OK, that makes sense i guess. Bullet goes slower, but hits harder because it's bigger.

Tanker6 · June 21, 2011, 12:02 PM

Yep, ole Newton is still alive and well.

Force = Mass X Acceleration

Oh, and on the recoil side....

"Each action has an equal and opposite reaction."

wolfe 21 · June 21, 2011, 09:27 PM

Sounds like I'm back in HS Physics class again. Though this is definitely a more interesting application of the theory than what we did

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June 19, 2011, 04:15 PM	#26
MJN77 Senior Member Join Date: April 27, 2009 Location: on a hill in West Virginia Posts: 789	[QUOTEDoes anyone make a cartridge conversion of the 58 Remington.][/QUOTE] http://www.taylorsfirearms.com/produ...Conversion.tpl I have one of those too.(third one down) Good guns.

June 19, 2011, 05:58 PM	#28
wolfe 21 Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2006 Posts: 205	yeah, figured I'd still be stuck with the normal load restrictions for a blackpowder frame, but worth asking. Guess it's time for another blackhawk.

June 20, 2011, 04:07 PM	#31
wolfe 21 Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2006 Posts: 205	Mine have all been factory loaded .45 colt. Honestly, I was more than a little disappointed the first couple times I fired my first .45. I was expecting something akin to the recoil of my .44 blackhawk and got something much milder than a .38 spl. Maybe the same as a 9mm, but not much more than that. My father told me about the .45 he owned just destroying an oak 2x4, but mine barely makes splinters on the back side of a similar target (difference between '70 and 2011 I guess). I have no doubt that the .45 is capable of being quite a handful, just not in any of the loadings I've had experience with. James.

June 20, 2011, 04:23 PM	#34
wolfe 21 Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2006 Posts: 205	OK, that makes sense i guess. Bullet goes slower, but hits harder because it's bigger.

June 21, 2011, 12:02 PM	#35
Tanker6 Senior Member Join Date: October 21, 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 193	Yep, ole Newton is still alive and well. Force = Mass X Acceleration Oh, and on the recoil side.... "Each action has an equal and opposite reaction."

June 21, 2011, 09:27 PM	#36
wolfe 21 Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2006 Posts: 205	Sounds like I'm back in HS Physics class again. Though this is definitely a more interesting application of the theory than what we did