I guess a Mosin Nagant is an Assault Rifle now?

dakota.potts · July 24, 2013, 11:58 PM

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/228...-found-in-home

Found this on a local Facebook group. It is probably a good thing the FBI is investigating as the guy is known to be mentally unstable and was found to have a large pressure cook with "explosive materials", ball bearings, wires, etc. all in close proximity.

The kicker comes when they say they found weapons "stockpiled" in his house. The reporter specifically states that court documents stated that an "assault rifle" with hundreds of rounds of ammunition was found.

They then zoom into a wooden box containing a Mosin Nagant, stripper clips, and a Luger P-08.

Somehow this Mosin Nagant is an assault rifle. Thank God he didn't have an Archangel stock on it! The ammo they showed also seemed to be surplus Russian stuff.

My initial thought was that his "weapons stockpile" was an uncle or grandpa's World War II weapon collection or something. The Luger even seemed to have one of the original paddle holsters.

Just shows you what good media bias is.

trg42wraglefragle · July 25, 2013, 12:09 AM

If the police raided my house and the media reported it, there would be a report of a high powered semi automatic rifle and a stock pile of ammunition.

When really its a Winchester 555 bulk pack and a Remington 597.

I despise the media on everything they report, I never believe what they say as more often than not you only get half the story and it's only the half they want you to hear.

madmo44mag · July 25, 2013, 08:03 AM

There are many of us that if our home was invaded my or local or fed gooberments would be called terrorist.
My loading bench, loading supplies and ammo alone would make national news as would many of this forums members let alone the number of guns in their collections.
The media has no clue.
They just push their agenda any way they can.

osceolawell · July 25, 2013, 12:32 PM

Just the other day the 5

o news had a picture of an AK Assault Rifle.
( a Mossberg 500 )
I think my old Stevens 410 single might be an assault rifle.

GunLink · July 25, 2013, 12:49 PM

When, in recent history, has anyone accused "the media" of getting things right?

dakota.potts · July 25, 2013, 12:59 PM

Prior to the current assault rifle craze, I would've expected they call it a "military rifle" or something.

Nope, Assault rifle it is.

Brian Pfleuger · July 25, 2013, 01:09 PM

Don't make the mistake of thinking that it's just a silly blunder and not an intentional, coherent strategy.

The terms "assault rifle" and Assault Weapon are now firmly ingrained in our culture. Assault weapons are evil. "Everyone" can agree that they should be banned. You're a crazy, fringe loon if you don't.

Now, on to the next step. Expand the definition.

Do you think the term Assault Weapon was accidental? No, they needed to eventually include things other than rifles. Weapon is all-inclusive. High-cap handguns can be added. Eventually, anything semi-auto will count (you watch).

It's not an accident and it's not random. It's intentional.

dakota.potts · July 25, 2013, 01:49 PM

If you are correct (as you very well may be) we have gone WAY past calling anything semi-auto an assault weapon and gone firmly into 70 year old bolt action rifle territory.

kevinjmiller · July 25, 2013, 01:57 PM

Quote:

It's not an accident and it's not random. It's intentional.

Exactly!
1. Assault weapons are scary,
2. Loud noises are scary,
3. Guns are loud.
4. Therefore, all guns are assault weapons.

SC4006 · July 25, 2013, 02:55 PM

Wow, just when I thought things couldn't get any worse... Now bolt actions? I have some tracer rounds for my assault mosin, maybe those would be considered cop killing incendiary rounds?

A while ago I think it might have been ABC news that called a ruger 10/22 with those 25 round magazines a ".22 caliber assault rifle".

kilimanjaro · July 25, 2013, 03:05 PM

That 30.06 deer rifle with scope is now a 'sniper' rifle.

At a gun 'buyback', a police chief crowed about the Safari rifle they garnered. "On the streets, this could cut someone in half."

johnwilliamson062 · July 25, 2013, 03:07 PM

I can't imagine what the media would report if they raided most of our homes. I guess it is a good things are homes are not likely to be raided.

Lt. Skrumpledonk Ret · July 25, 2013, 03:15 PM

I tell people my Mosin (1895) likely killed a few dozen people in WWI, the Russian Revolution, and WWII in Finland. It's also just as likely that twice as many Russians were killed holding the rifle than the number of people it was used to shoot.

wayneinFL · July 25, 2013, 08:03 PM

Not watching the video, but the article shows a picture of a pressure cooker and a bag of perlite. Maybe they should check out my mom.

spacecoast · July 25, 2013, 08:39 PM

Quote:

There are many of us that if our home was invaded my or local or fed gooberments would be called terrorist.

Amen to that. These clowns in the media have no clue about the role of firearms in establishing, expanding and defending our country.

**44 AMP** · July 25, 2013, 11:35 PM

If you have two brain cells to rub together, and didn't sleep through high school chemistry (at least the level it was taught at 40 years ago) you can go into anyone's average home, gun fancier, terrorist, news reporter, judge, politician, doctor, or clergyman or anti-gun activist, and find the materials to construct a moderately powerful explosive device.

Is not just sad that the news media actively disdains accuracy in reporting when it comes to firearms, but that they can quote "court documents" and still be so FREAKIN WRONG!

Slopemeno · July 26, 2013, 12:27 AM

If you have a pellet gun and a map you'll be described as a "selft-styled survivalist".

CharlieDeltaJuliet · July 26, 2013, 05:15 AM

Listen to Brian, he is right about this.. It is all a ploy to criminalize gun owners and make them all seem dangerous and unstable...

The media will twist any story that s remotely related to a firearm.

Punisher_1 · July 26, 2013, 03:26 PM

If a news story is friendly to a firearms owner they have a "firearms collection". If not the same collection is now a "weapons cache".

MattShlock · July 28, 2013, 08:31 PM

The media has stopped calling weapons "assault" just because they are evil black plastic -- now even brown and all color guns of whatever material are equally "assault weapons." No more hue-ignorant prejudice or material bigotry.

No justice, no piece!

And Pfleuger's right. The Left has no shame and a mission to disarm real Americans. Some may be too young to remember that any surplus was referred to as "military," a few boxes of ammo was "an arsenal," and anything with a scope was referred to as "a sniper rifle" by the anti-gunners and much of it took with the media. Like today's "commin sense gun control."

JD0x0 · July 28, 2013, 10:59 PM

Can't wait for the news reports on the "Assault Muskets."

The government wants to keep the public's gun technology in the 1800's. Keep 'em weak and they're easier to control. Just give 'em the bare minimum. Bread and water... like prisoners.

8MM Mauser · July 29, 2013, 05:28 AM

Well those M44's do have that "tactical" bayonet after all.

mdd · July 29, 2013, 05:49 AM

The only way the left will be happy is if all we are left with to defend ourselves is colorful language.

Shadow9mm · July 29, 2013, 03:20 PM

Link to contact the news station, please leave cold and copy/paste
http://www.myfoxboston.com/category/...ct-fox-25-news

sent them a nice note explaining that this is a WWI/WW2 rifle that holds 5 rounds

RBid · July 29, 2013, 03:44 PM

Tl;dr

Too busy fondling my semiautomatic, military grade assault weapon and it's high capacity magazine clip, designed to spray bullets from the hip and kill 500 people per minute. I mean, my Glock 19.

July 24, 2013, 11:58 PM	#1
dakota.potts Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2013 Location: Keystone Heights, Florida Posts: 3,084	I guess a Mosin Nagant is an Assault Rifle now? http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/228...-found-in-home Found this on a local Facebook group. It is probably a good thing the FBI is investigating as the guy is known to be mentally unstable and was found to have a large pressure cook with "explosive materials", ball bearings, wires, etc. all in close proximity. The kicker comes when they say they found weapons "stockpiled" in his house. The reporter specifically states that court documents stated that an "assault rifle" with hundreds of rounds of ammunition was found. They then zoom into a wooden box containing a Mosin Nagant, stripper clips, and a Luger P-08. Somehow this Mosin Nagant is an assault rifle. Thank God he didn't have an Archangel stock on it! The ammo they showed also seemed to be surplus Russian stuff. My initial thought was that his "weapons stockpile" was an uncle or grandpa's World War II weapon collection or something. The Luger even seemed to have one of the original paddle holsters. Just shows you what good media bias is.

July 25, 2013, 08:03 AM	#3
madmo44mag Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2008 Location: Ft.Worth, Texas Posts: 1,522	There are many of us that if our home was invaded my or local or fed gooberments would be called terrorist. My loading bench, loading supplies and ammo alone would make national news as would many of this forums members let alone the number of guns in their collections. The media has no clue. They just push their agenda any way they can. __________________ Texas - Not just a state but an attitude! For monthly shooting events in DFW visit http://www.meetup.com/TexasGunOwner-DFW Last edited by Evan Thomas; July 25, 2013 at 08:10 AM. Reason: political invective.

July 25, 2013, 12:32 PM	#4
osceolawell Junior Member Join Date: February 2, 2009 Posts: 13	Just the other day the 5o news had a picture of an AK Assault Rifle. ( a Mossberg 500 ) I think my old Stevens 410 single might be an assault rifle.

July 25, 2013, 12:49 PM	#5
GunLink Member Join Date: September 21, 2010 Posts: 29	When, in recent history, has anyone accused "the media" of getting things right? __________________ GunLink.info Firearms portal - business directory, forums, blog and more.

July 25, 2013, 01:09 PM	#7
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	Don't make the mistake of thinking that it's just a silly blunder and not an intentional, coherent strategy. The terms "assault rifle" and Assault Weapon are now firmly ingrained in our culture. Assault weapons are evil. "Everyone" can agree that they should be banned. You're a crazy, fringe loon if you don't. Now, on to the next step. Expand the definition. Do you think the term Assault Weapon was accidental? No, they needed to eventually include things other than rifles. Weapon is all-inclusive. High-cap handguns can be added. Eventually, anything semi-auto will count (you watch). It's not an accident and it's not random. It's intentional. __________________ Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley

July 25, 2013, 12:09 AM	#2
trg42wraglefragle Senior Member Join Date: April 21, 2008 Location: new zealand Posts: 856	If the police raided my house and the media reported it, there would be a report of a high powered semi automatic rifle and a stock pile of ammunition. When really its a Winchester 555 bulk pack and a Remington 597. I despise the media on everything they report, I never believe what they say as more often than not you only get half the story and it's only the half they want you to hear.

July 25, 2013, 12:59 PM	#6
dakota.potts Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2013 Location: Keystone Heights, Florida Posts: 3,084	Prior to the current assault rifle craze, I would've expected they call it a "military rifle" or something. Nope, Assault rifle it is.

July 25, 2013, 01:49 PM	#8
dakota.potts Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2013 Location: Keystone Heights, Florida Posts: 3,084	If you are correct (as you very well may be) we have gone WAY past calling anything semi-auto an assault weapon and gone firmly into 70 year old bolt action rifle territory.

July 25, 2013, 02:55 PM	#10
SC4006 Senior Member Join Date: June 27, 2012 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 525	Wow, just when I thought things couldn't get any worse... Now bolt actions? I have some tracer rounds for my assault mosin, maybe those would be considered cop killing incendiary rounds? A while ago I think it might have been ABC news that called a ruger 10/22 with those 25 round magazines a ".22 caliber assault rifle". __________________ I don't always go to the range, but when I do, I prefer dosAKs. They say 5 out of 4 people are bad at math.

July 25, 2013, 03:05 PM	#11
kilimanjaro Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2009 Posts: 3,963	That 30.06 deer rifle with scope is now a 'sniper' rifle. At a gun 'buyback', a police chief crowed about the Safari rifle they garnered. "On the streets, this could cut someone in half."

July 25, 2013, 03:07 PM	#12
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	I can't imagine what the media would report if they raided most of our homes. I guess it is a good things are homes are not likely to be raided.

July 25, 2013, 03:15 PM	#13
Lt. Skrumpledonk Ret Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2012 Location: Oh, Jesus. Posts: 226	Mosin I tell people my Mosin (1895) likely killed a few dozen people in WWI, the Russian Revolution, and WWII in Finland. It's also just as likely that twice as many Russians were killed holding the rifle than the number of people it was used to shoot.

July 25, 2013, 08:03 PM	#14
wayneinFL Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2004 Posts: 1,944	Not watching the video, but the article shows a picture of a pressure cooker and a bag of perlite. Maybe they should check out my mom.

July 25, 2013, 11:35 PM	#16
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,833	If you have two brain cells to rub together, and didn't sleep through high school chemistry (at least the level it was taught at 40 years ago) you can go into anyone's average home, gun fancier, terrorist, news reporter, judge, politician, doctor, or clergyman or anti-gun activist, and find the materials to construct a moderately powerful explosive device. Is not just sad that the news media actively disdains accuracy in reporting when it comes to firearms, but that they can quote "court documents" and still be so FREAKIN WRONG! __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

July 26, 2013, 12:27 AM	#17
Slopemeno Senior Member Join Date: January 19, 2007 Posts: 2,663	If you have a pellet gun and a map you'll be described as a "selft-styled survivalist".

July 26, 2013, 05:15 AM	#18
CharlieDeltaJuliet Senior Member Join Date: July 25, 2012 Posts: 755	Listen to Brian, he is right about this.. It is all a ploy to criminalize gun owners and make them all seem dangerous and unstable... The media will twist any story that s remotely related to a firearm. __________________ " The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in Government...." - Thomas Jefferson

July 26, 2013, 03:26 PM	#19
Punisher_1 Senior Member Join Date: December 16, 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 136	If a news story is friendly to a firearms owner they have a "firearms collection". If not the same collection is now a "weapons cache".

July 28, 2013, 08:31 PM	#20
MattShlock Senior Member Join Date: April 8, 2013 Posts: 251	Materacism The media has stopped calling weapons "assault" just because they are evil black plastic -- now even brown and all color guns of whatever material are equally "assault weapons." No more hue-ignorant prejudice or material bigotry. No justice, no piece! And Pfleuger's right. The Left has no shame and a mission to disarm real Americans. Some may be too young to remember that any surplus was referred to as "military," a few boxes of ammo was "an arsenal," and anything with a scope was referred to as "a sniper rifle" by the anti-gunners and much of it took with the media. Like today's "commin sense gun control." Last edited by MattShlock; July 28, 2013 at 08:37 PM.

July 28, 2013, 10:59 PM	#21
JD0x0 Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2013 Posts: 1,037	Can't wait for the news reports on the "Assault Muskets." The government wants to keep the public's gun technology in the 1800's. Keep 'em weak and they're easier to control. Just give 'em the bare minimum. Bread and water... like prisoners.

July 29, 2013, 05:28 AM	#22
8MM Mauser Senior Member Join Date: October 16, 2011 Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan Posts: 647	Well those M44's do have that "tactical" bayonet after all.

July 29, 2013, 05:49 AM	#23
mdd Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2010 Posts: 626	The only way the left will be happy is if all we are left with to defend ourselves is colorful language. __________________ So many coyotes....so little time....

July 29, 2013, 03:20 PM	#24
Shadow9mm Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2012 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 3,974	Link to contact the news station, please leave cold and copy/paste http://www.myfoxboston.com/category/...ct-fox-25-news sent them a nice note explaining that this is a WWI/WW2 rifle that holds 5 rounds

July 29, 2013, 03:44 PM	#25
RBid Senior Member Join Date: March 10, 2012 Posts: 1,059	I guess a Mosin Nagant is an Assault Rifle now? Tl;dr Too busy fondling my semiautomatic, military grade assault weapon and it's high capacity magazine clip, designed to spray bullets from the hip and kill 500 people per minute. I mean, my Glock 19.