Neco internal ballistics program - great for new and old reloaders

Ackley Improved User · January 31, 2005, 08:18 PM

The QuickLoad program from Neco (http://www.neconos.com/) is amazing. It can predict internal and external ballistics and has a HUGE bullet, casing, powder, barrel length, internal pressure, etc. selection. The program was developed by a brilliant German ballistician.

I've worked with it for years (so has SPEER bullets with its reloading manual), and it is amazing how well it predicts performance for various cartridge, caliber, powder, bullet, internal pressure, and barrel length combinations. You can even design you own wildcat.

I've noticed much debate on this forum regarding which cartridge is best, etc. With this program you can see SCIENTIFICALLY how the different cartridges compare. For example, you can see how the 300 Win Mag compares to the 300 RUM or 30-06 or whatever, when loaded to the same pressures with the same barrel lengths and with available modern powders.

You'll find that as the case gets bigger, the cartridge gets less efficient - yet, it remains true that the more "dynamite" (i.e., powder) you behind the bullet the more velocity/energy you get - of course, at a cost of more muzzle blast and kick. How dead can an elk get?

Any comments or experience with this program.

12-34hom · January 31, 2005, 10:35 PM

Yea, to bad it costs 140.00...

12-34hom.

WESHOOT2 · February 5, 2005, 08:16 AM

There is no science in prediction; there is science in confirming, ay?

I have tested and/or chrono-mapped too often to trust ANY prediction made in ANY fashion; I confirm through testing.
Only.
Then I actually know.

Ackley Improved User · February 5, 2005, 03:09 PM

Weshoot2, how do you test & confirm pressure?

WESHOOT2 · February 6, 2005, 10:09 AM

Count my fingers.

Ackley Improved User · February 6, 2005, 12:19 PM

Westshoot2, before I resort to counting fingers, I'll keep track of my velocities and primer pockets and estimate working pressures with the NECO program. I think you understand.

January 31, 2005, 08:18 PM	#1
Ackley Improved User Member Join Date: January 31, 2005 Posts: 56	Neco internal ballistics program - great for new and old reloaders The QuickLoad program from Neco (http://www.neconos.com/) is amazing. It can predict internal and external ballistics and has a HUGE bullet, casing, powder, barrel length, internal pressure, etc. selection. The program was developed by a brilliant German ballistician. I've worked with it for years (so has SPEER bullets with its reloading manual), and it is amazing how well it predicts performance for various cartridge, caliber, powder, bullet, internal pressure, and barrel length combinations. You can even design you own wildcat. I've noticed much debate on this forum regarding which cartridge is best, etc. With this program you can see SCIENTIFICALLY how the different cartridges compare. For example, you can see how the 300 Win Mag compares to the 300 RUM or 30-06 or whatever, when loaded to the same pressures with the same barrel lengths and with available modern powders. You'll find that as the case gets bigger, the cartridge gets less efficient - yet, it remains true that the more "dynamite" (i.e., powder) you behind the bullet the more velocity/energy you get - of course, at a cost of more muzzle blast and kick. How dead can an elk get? Any comments or experience with this program.

January 31, 2005, 10:35 PM	#2
12-34hom Senior Member Join Date: June 8, 1999 Location: Iowa - northeastern Posts: 1,810	Yea, to bad it costs 140.00... 12-34hom. __________________ This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend, it is my life. I must master itas i master my life.Without me my rifle is useless, without my rifle i am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I Will. Before God i swear this creed. My rifle and myself are defenders of my country. We are masters of our enemy. We are saviours of my life. So be it until there is no enemy, but peace. Amen.

February 5, 2005, 08:16 AM	#3
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	handloading science There is no science in prediction; there is science in confirming, ay? I have tested and/or chrono-mapped too often to trust ANY prediction made in ANY fashion; I confirm through testing. Only. Then I actually know. __________________ . "all my ammo is mostly retired factory ammo"

February 5, 2005, 03:09 PM	#4
Ackley Improved User Member Join Date: January 31, 2005 Posts: 56	Question for Weshoot2 Weshoot2, how do you test & confirm pressure?

February 6, 2005, 10:09 AM	#5
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	same way Speer did it Count my fingers. __________________ . "all my ammo is mostly retired factory ammo"

February 6, 2005, 12:19 PM	#6
Ackley Improved User Member Join Date: January 31, 2005 Posts: 56	Westshoot2, before I resort to counting fingers, I'll keep track of my velocities and primer pockets and estimate working pressures with the NECO program. I think you understand.