Made a mess of things: EAA Witness help?

WESHOOT2 · March 27, 2005, 07:21 AM

Rusted in grip screw started it; broke it off (I can fix that).

So, decided to detail-strip it since I've owned it ten years and never tried.

Uh-oh.

Anyone with schematics / advice / help? LOL

Hunter Customs · March 27, 2005, 10:01 AM

What all did you do? Do you have all the pieces? The gun should be very similar to working on a CZ pistol if you have a smith in your area that works on CZ guns.
Regards
Bob Hunter
www.huntercustoms.com

Nortonics · March 27, 2005, 10:13 AM

Don't know a thing about the EAA's, but here's a bunch of stuff from their web site:

Witness manual in PDF format

Another manual

EAA Corp

WESHOOT2 · March 28, 2005, 05:57 AM

Appreciate the schematic.

Bob, I got alla parts (heck, got another two guns; I got parts LOL).

I punched out the trigger pins, then with the hammer cocked (think this was my downfall) knocked out the hammer pin.
Now I can't seem to go in either direction.

FWIW, this here is Caspian Country.
(But Sokol is only two hours aways if it ain't snowin' too hard...hmm.....but there goes my other-gun money; know what I mean?)

And of course I could just send it to EAA.Or EGW; safer bet, ay?

Hunter Customs · March 28, 2005, 10:24 AM

WESHOOT2,
There's no doubt, if you can get it to George at EGW he will be able to help you out.

I wish that everytime I took a gun apart I would have enough parts to build two guns, some people have all the luck.

Regards
Bob Hunter
www.huntercustoms.com

Handy · March 28, 2005, 12:02 PM

The CZ and clones are covered in The Gun Digest Book of Firearms Assembly/Disassembly: Part I, Automatic Pistols by J.B. Wood. This is usually available in bookstores and is a wealth of information on close to 100 different guns. Simply start at the end of a section and work backwards to reassemble.

WESHOOT2 · March 29, 2005, 05:13 AM

Handy, I've checked out that book and my Witness(es) stop looking similar when you get to the trigger / mainspring stuff.
Rats, ay?

And Mr. Smith once laughed at me about my Witness; something about hard metal and broken tools.............but he do know 'em.

Oh, money spent.......decisions.......angst........and at least one more attempt by Mr. Hack-Hand.

Handy · March 29, 2005, 09:44 AM

That's strange. My older addition uses and FIE TZ75, which is also a Tanfoglio. I'm surprised anything changed enough to cause you problems.

railroader · March 29, 2005, 11:32 PM

Ask on the cz forum. They have a clone sction. http://p201.ezboard.com/fczechpistols82792frm35 Mark

garrettwc · March 29, 2005, 11:46 PM

Don't know if this will help, but worth a shot.

Witness Gunsmithing

WESHOOT2 · March 30, 2005, 05:23 AM

Huge help here; thanks.

(Of course, we'll see, ay?)

sm · March 30, 2005, 03:51 PM

Good grief, see what you get for taken stuff apart - not to mention Cleaning the darn the fool thing. "Weight is horsepower" is the saying for racing cars, not the EAA.

Just grab the carburetor ajusting tool - - no the other one, yeah the bigger one.
NOW you can really fix it. Sheesh I thought I "learnt you better than that".

Yeah he knows what a carburetor is, us old fellows know that kind of stuff..."whack...whack...whack".

Japle · March 30, 2005, 07:17 PM

Having done a lot of trigger work on Witnesses, I have to say:

I HATE ROLL PINS!!

I replaced them all with drill rod.

John
Cape Canaveral

WESHOOT2 · April 1, 2005, 05:42 AM

My normal method is just leaving in the broken end of the Starrett punch I use

March 27, 2005, 07:21 AM	#1
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	Made a mess of things: EAA Witness help? Rusted in grip screw started it; broke it off (I can fix that). So, decided to detail-strip it since I've owned it ten years and never tried. Uh-oh. Anyone with schematics / advice / help? LOL __________________ . "all my ammo is mostly retired factory ammo"

March 27, 2005, 10:13 AM	#3
Nortonics Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2004 Location: Murderapolis Posts: 521	Don't know a thing about the EAA's, but here's a bunch of stuff from their web site: Witness manual in PDF format Another manual EAA Corp __________________ Tom.

March 28, 2005, 05:57 AM	#4
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	thanks so far Appreciate the schematic. Bob, I got alla parts (heck, got another two guns; I got parts LOL). I punched out the trigger pins, then with the hammer cocked (think this was my downfall) knocked out the hammer pin. Now I can't seem to go in either direction. FWIW, this here is Caspian Country. (But Sokol is only two hours aways if it ain't snowin' too hard...hmm.....but there goes my other-gun money; know what I mean?) And of course I could just send it to EAA.Or EGW; safer bet, ay? __________________ . "all my ammo is mostly retired factory ammo"

March 29, 2005, 05:13 AM	#7
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	back for more Handy, I've checked out that book and my Witness(es) stop looking similar when you get to the trigger / mainspring stuff. Rats, ay? And Mr. Smith once laughed at me about my Witness; something about hard metal and broken tools.............but he do know 'em. Oh, money spent.......decisions.......angst........and at least one more attempt by Mr. Hack-Hand. __________________ . "all my ammo is mostly retired factory ammo"

March 30, 2005, 05:23 AM	#11
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	grand fraternity Huge help here; thanks. (Of course, we'll see, ay?) __________________ . "all my ammo is mostly retired factory ammo"

March 27, 2005, 10:01 AM	#2
Hunter Customs Senior Member Join Date: March 26, 2005 Location: Osborn, Missouri Posts: 2,697	What all did you do? Do you have all the pieces? The gun should be very similar to working on a CZ pistol if you have a smith in your area that works on CZ guns. Regards Bob Hunter www.huntercustoms.com

March 28, 2005, 10:24 AM	#5
Hunter Customs Senior Member Join Date: March 26, 2005 Location: Osborn, Missouri Posts: 2,697	WESHOOT2, There's no doubt, if you can get it to George at EGW he will be able to help you out. I wish that everytime I took a gun apart I would have enough parts to build two guns, some people have all the luck. Regards Bob Hunter www.huntercustoms.com

March 28, 2005, 12:02 PM	#6
Handy Junior member Join Date: August 31, 2001 Posts: 8,785	The CZ and clones are covered in The Gun Digest Book of Firearms Assembly/Disassembly: Part I, Automatic Pistols by J.B. Wood. This is usually available in bookstores and is a wealth of information on close to 100 different guns. Simply start at the end of a section and work backwards to reassemble.

March 29, 2005, 09:44 AM	#8
Handy Junior member Join Date: August 31, 2001 Posts: 8,785	That's strange. My older addition uses and FIE TZ75, which is also a Tanfoglio. I'm surprised anything changed enough to cause you problems.

March 29, 2005, 11:32 PM	#9
railroader Senior Member Join Date: February 8, 2000 Location: Tucson Arizona Posts: 1,756	Ask on the cz forum. They have a clone sction. http://p201.ezboard.com/fczechpistols82792frm35 Mark

March 29, 2005, 11:46 PM	#10
garrettwc Senior Member Join Date: October 3, 2001 Posts: 641	Don't know if this will help, but worth a shot. Witness Gunsmithing

March 30, 2005, 03:51 PM	#12
sm Senior Member Join Date: February 5, 2002 Posts: 1,819	Weshoot2 Good grief, see what you get for taken stuff apart - not to mention Cleaning the darn the fool thing. "Weight is horsepower" is the saying for racing cars, not the EAA. Just grab the carburetor ajusting tool - - no the other one, yeah the bigger one. NOW you can really fix it. Sheesh I thought I "learnt you better than that". Yeah he knows what a carburetor is, us old fellows know that kind of stuff..."whack...whack...whack". __________________ Use Enough Gun TFL Alumni

March 30, 2005, 07:17 PM	#13
Japle Senior Member Join Date: October 12, 2004 Location: Viera, Florida Posts: 1,340	Having done a lot of trigger work on Witnesses, I have to say: I HATE ROLL PINS!! I replaced them all with drill rod. John Cape Canaveral

April 1, 2005, 05:42 AM	#14
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	normal procedure for pins My normal method is just leaving in the broken end of the Starrett punch I use __________________ . "all my ammo is mostly retired factory ammo"