June 8, 2011, 06:01 AM | #1 |
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357 lower velocity powder
Im trying for my 5 gun rating in IDPA in a few weeks and due to finances Im going to have to use my S&W 586 in ESR division shooting major PF 165.
This will require me to run my 158gr at aprox 1050 fps Its not hot but recoil needs to be as low as possible to get back on target as Im not shooting moon clips in a divission dominated by 625's big and slow. I have Unique,2400,231 and blue dot powders on hand,Im leanning towards unique or 2400.So Do I use a faster powder at a neer max loading or do I use 2400 at a minimim loading to keep my velocity and recoil down,looking for a push in the right direction. Thanks,Bob. |
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Remember that powder weight also figures into the recoil -- more powder increases recoil. Maybe not much, but if you're looking for every advantage, it's something to be considered.
I personally would go with WW 231 in your application.
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Try 10 grains of Blue Dot. That load is listed in my Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook and it's still listed in the Alliant Reloader Guide. In my Model 66, velocity hovered right around 1100 fps.
Or, try 7.7 grains of Unique. That's a listed load as well. |
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Are you going to use Magnum brass or hotrod Specials?
In .357 Magnum brass, when I was shooting USPSA Revolver, I got a 158 cast roundnose in a 4" M28 as follows: 8.1 gr Blue Dot = 1138 fps f = 179,804 (Major was 175 back then.) 6.7 gr Unique = 1075 fps; f = 169,850 6.3 gr Win 231 = 1050 fps; f = 165,900 (Too light for USPSA then, fine for that or ESR now.) I don't know why I got by with lighter loads than Paw Paw, but there it is. There has been some work done in recent years on recreating the .38-44 High Velocity which would let you use .38 Special brass which is cheaper and ejects .135" quicker. |
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I'm just an old tin can shooter with a fondness for writing things down. My loads might be too heavy for best results on the competition ranges. |
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What do you shoot in IDPA, jimbob86?
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I do shoot what I carry in another divission,so I should limit my fun to one gun?
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Im going to use 357 brass,Id rather use 38 brass but was told I might have pressure issues with it trying to make major. Thanks,Bob. |
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That acttually sounds like a good Idea,I might have to give it a try. And I am using Comp III. Thanks for the input guys. |
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At the mini-matches I used to shoot at TheBulletHole (they have been dicontinued), I shot a 1911 (230's loaded to 850) untill I got my EMP, then it was 115's @ 1200 ...... they were as close to my carry ammo as I could make.
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My 45 230 gr load runs 868 my 9mm 124gr run 1150 my38spl are loaded warmer than off the shelf because up untill now factory loads would not make PF.
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Unique for your specific goal.
Universal Clays when you run out of Unique.
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