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July 13, 2006, 11:28 AM | #1 |
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Urgent Please Read. Govt To Hire Sharpshooters At Taxpayer Expense...
OK...LEAVE IT TO THE GOV'T (NATIONAL PARK SERVICE) TO SPEND MONEY ON A PROJECT THAT COULD ACTUALLY PROFIT FROM. FROM THE NRA, THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE IS TRYING TO SPEND 18 MILLION OF OUR MONEY TO HIRE SHARPSHOOTERS TO REDUCE THE ELK HEARD AT ROCKEY MOUNTAIN NATIONAL PARK!!! THEY DON'T NEED TO SPEND A DIME AND THE COLORADO WILDLIFE COMMISSION IS TRYING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND THEY NEED OUR HELP I DON'T CARE IF YOU HUNT IN TX, WY PA WA OK OR WHEREVER. THEY NEED OUR HELP AND WE NEED TO PUT OUR COMMENTS IN. PLEASE SEE www.nraila.org/currentlegislation
THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR HUNTERS TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HUNT, AND SAVE OUR TAX $$$. I'M A TX RESIDENT, BUT THIS ISSUE AFFECTS US ALL SO LET'S DO OUR PART AS HUNTERS. HATS OFF TO THE COLORADO DEPT OF WILDLIFE FOR SUPPORTING HUNTERS AND OUR CAUSE. LET'S HELP EM OUT AND SEE THIS THROUGH. THANKS!!! P.S. STAFF @ FIRING LINE, CAN YOU GET THIS ON A MUST READ ITEM???
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July 13, 2006, 11:38 AM | #2 |
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All I wanna know is, "Where do you apply?"
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July 13, 2006, 11:53 AM | #3 |
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thats sweet
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July 13, 2006, 02:33 PM | #4 |
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That's absurd - who do we contact at the national park service to gripe? Got any specific contact info? Not for Colo Wildlife dept -they're on our side - the folks who need to hear from a lot of us in unison are the feds. The least they could do is allow an archery hunt.
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July 13, 2006, 04:54 PM | #5 |
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I wonder if their still taking bids for this job. Me and my sharp-shooting team would probably be able to save the government some cash. In fact, we'd be willing to shoot every elk in the state for say.........$10 mil.
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July 13, 2006, 06:17 PM | #6 |
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freedomfirst: contact your senator. Let them know. Colorado residents: PLEASE CONTACT YOUR STATE WILDLIFE OFFICE. DON'T LET THIS OBSURD ACT HAPPEN. This could be a great thing for future hunting opportunities at other parks if this issue can be steered in the appropriate direction.
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July 15, 2006, 11:56 PM | #7 |
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Ive got a box of 150 Grain SSTs and a can of IMR 4831 in the basement that i could put together and be down tomorow. If they pay for my gas me and the boys can take care of any extra critters you guys have runnin around down there. Heck Ill even shoot a couple terrorists and a mad cow while were at it.
This is typical of a situation where an organization becomes top heavy. All the bosses are busy running around trying to justify their jobs and they completely lose touch with the real world. I work for an oil company which was recently bought out and the new company has apparently thrown every last shred of common sense out the window. I think this is one of those situations.
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July 16, 2006, 06:09 AM | #8 |
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the 338 loaded and ready to go.............. do i hear firing line feild trip?
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July 16, 2006, 11:35 AM | #9 |
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As much as I'm in favor of contacting our elected representatives on important issues, this one is not yet "ripe" for that...at least not based on the info provided by NRA. In order to contact your Senator, you must at least be able to reference a proposed bill. There doesn't seem to be one here; nor is there any specifics as to the National Park Service "proposal". As in shooting, in politics, we must identify our target before firing. If anyone has specific info, including the results of the July 13 CO meeting, please post. Rich
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July 16, 2006, 11:51 AM | #10 |
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Her in Ga the DNR had a special "population reduction" hunt at two parks and If I'm not mistaken they have two more planned for this year. I think they do it like a quota hunt (send in your name and they have a drawing). I can't imagine spending tax money to hire shooters when the idiots could MAKE money from license fees and such. Sounds about par for their course though.
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But didn't you know? It's, it's, it's "counterproductive" to allow hunters into National Parks. It would demonstrate that those ecosystems are out of balance due to the lack of natural predation. So it is only natural to spend taxpayer millions on "professional game management technicians" while maintaining the long history of protecting the Park wildlife from human "predators". I have a better idea....why don't they just round up all the reintroduced wolves raising hell with livestock in the Mountain States and relocate them to the Park. Then the average American tourist can personally witness the way game animals die "naturally". I'll hunt my Elk in Wyoming. Rich
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Park Service Proposal Attached
These morons aren't kidding. They've put forth five alternatives, none of which include the obvious: Hunting Tags!
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It would seem that a lottery style hunt would be the cheapest, most effective, answer to this problem. When was the last time our goverment did anything in a cheap, effective manner? Hunters in National parks? The greenies would be rioting. Your truck would get vandalized and you'd have a bunch of idiots running through the woods, screaming, peeing and carrying signs. This gets people arrested in NC, btw. On a national park, these fools would probably have park ranger escort. North Carolina also has a reduction program, lottery style, for its state parks. Makes "cent$" to me. |
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Wow, I checked out that link. Guess I might have been wrong about them considering wolves. I've got a question, though. Does anyone know how you go about "intensively managing" a wolf? Can you imagine the lawsuits if one "slipped its leash" and attacked someone?
I like the "fertility control agent". Birth control for elks. What will they think of next? I hope everyone realizes we pay these people. The cost of the "proposal" by itself was probably astronomical. By the time they get done paying sharpshooters, building fences, sterilizing and aborting and "redistributing" the elk, we will have spent millions. A lottery style hunt would make money and the game would pay for itself. I wonder how big and expensive an elk-proof fence is. Being politically correct can sure get expensive. If they go through with this, someone needs to get fired. |
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Policeman: Well alright ill let you go this time, but you should always make sure that you know its not an idiot in a tie die shirt before you start firing "Enivironmentalists" and the like really dont understand the environment and should be rounded up and put on an island to see how long they would last in the great outdoors without the comfort of their jobs at air conditioned music stores.
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You think this NPS deal is stupid? Hey, when the Fish&Wildlife Service folks were "studying" the reintroduction of the Mexican Wolf into New Mexico, they showed three options and the annual cost for each.
Intensive Management: $12 million. A mid-range effort: $ 8 million. Do nothing: $ 4 million. Only the feds can do nothing and have it cost $4 million per year. If I'm lyin' I'm flyin', and I ain't flapped a wing: I read the (Bleep!) report.\ Art |
July 16, 2006, 07:21 PM | #17 |
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I got an idea.
TPTB allow TFL folks to gather to handle this problem. TFL will Represent Responsible Firearms Owners, Hunters , Ethics, Game Mgmt... I hate to mention this - still if TPTB are going to throw out money - why not throw it to TFL? I am sure TFL could "manage this problem" for a lot less monies. Heck gas money for some, or equipment for a new shooter, perhaps Make a Wish Kid getting them there and special needs ...anything. TFL would "raise more than a bar" - TFL would raise awarenes and blow some ideology, myths and lies. I'm picturing a Kid, on a Make A Wish, taking a critter. Film it. Everyone from gun grabbers, "for the children", Hollywood, UN...you name it would have thier Ideology blown clean out of the tub. I am not speaking of Gov't Programs - Instead Private Institutions running the whole show. No Gov't allowed to meddle. Just a Social Experiment that Tax dollars funded perhaps [kinda odd feelings about that part myself still] still call it Grant Money. Only this time the results I know would be better. Let those wanting to / studying to be in Wildlife Mgmt, live near and say for instance HS folks getting Home Schooled while they "work" the Programs. I know I am dreaming, and it will not come to be. Then again if given the green light and greenbacks for say 3 years - what would be the results? If you keep on doing what you have always done - you will keep on getting what you always got. I'm a realist...just sometimes I wish I as a Rich Realist. Steve
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the last time i herd of a kid wanting a hunting trip for there make a wish, hollywood had a fit. they offered him a but part on one of the james bond movies stuff like that. but, by god, the kid stuck to his guns (pun intended) and went to alaska and shot a bear.
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July 17, 2006, 09:43 AM | #20 |
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"...If they really wanna spend that much money so badly, why don't they pay the hunters who actually enjoy elk..."
Epyon, that's the crux of the matter: Anti-hunters go bonkers over the idea that hunters actually enjoy hunting, killing and eating wild game. I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that the enjoyment-factor is more annoying to them than the actual hunting. It's the old "I don't like it, so you can't do it!" deal. From the Feds' standpoint, it's the usual arrogance that if you're not a federal employee, you don't know nuthin' 'bout nuthin'. As a generality, NPS employees regard the National Parks as "theirs" and really resent the vistors who come through. (I grant that there is that percentage of visitors who actually should have stayed home.) Art |
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As far as a lawsuit goes, if someone gets killed by wolves in a National Park, where there were no wolves before they were reintroduced, I'm sure there would be some kind of suit. The wolves weren't really my point and I apologize for getting off topic. My point was the goverment wasting our money, which we both seem to agree on. Why pay sharpshooters when the sharpshooters(us) would be glad to pay for the privilege? |
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I'm suspecting attributing inabilities to successfully hunt food with firearms to the predation of wolves . . . a) made for a better story by raising the specter of scary, evil wolves, since everyone "knew" they were ravenous, murderous beasts and all that, and also b) made for a better story than saying "our hunting skills, honed in the forests of the east just did not quite cut the mustard out west during that winter . . ." |
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Elk. NPS. Not wolves eating people.
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