.327 Federal Club thread - Page 60

TruthTellers · January 12, 2017, 02:13 AM

Cosmo, the .38 and .22 rimfire LCR's have an Aluminum frame, the others are steel. So far as I can tell, Ruger would have to make the steel frame with the longer barrel shroud for the LCRx, with the Aluminum frame, Ruger could make the LCRx in .22 LR and .22 Magnum tomorrow.

Cosmodragoon · January 28, 2017, 01:53 AM

It looks like we're ahead of the curve here. Ruger just listed the LCR-X in .357 magnum. I suppose that opens the door for one in .327?

http://www.ruger.com/products/lcrx/specSheets/5460.html

TruthTellers · January 28, 2017, 02:14 AM

It does and I'm hearing rumors from other parts of the Internet that a .22 LCRx with 3 inch barrel or longer is already in the works, so that means Ruger is looking at making the longer barreled LCRx revolvers.

As for .327, if you can make the LCRx in .357, you can do it with .327. I don't think the higher pressures the .327 operates at will make a difference at all.

FrankenMauser · January 28, 2017, 04:31 PM

The .327 Federal LCR is built on the steel (.357 Mag) LCR frame.
So there's really no reason they can't ream a 6-shot cylinder, install a different barrel/liner, and do the same on the .357 LCRx frame (if there's even a difference between frames).

alaskabushman · January 30, 2017, 03:51 PM

Something completely unrelated to the current topic.

I bought a Single 7 a while back and really enjoy shooting it. I have been drooling over the Henry carbine set to come out soon so that I can have a companion to the S7. However, price puts it a bit out of reach with future home renovations needing funded. An idea started forming in my head. I have a Ruger M77 in 30-06 that rarely gets used, its a very nice gun, Leupold scope, ported barrel, very nice walnut...its just not used much.

I'm sure most of you are aware of MCA Sports (http://www.mcace.com/adapters.htm) chamber adapters. They are a semi-permanent way of making certain guns capable of shooting something of lower power. They sell an adapter for the 30-06, chambered for the .32 H&R Mag. A .327 mag chamber reamer from Pacific Tool is around $150.

You know where I'm going with this...Why couldn't I ream the chamber of the adapter and then fix it into my 30-06 and make my very own .327 mag rifle? I emailed MCA with this very question. The response? "the adapter will split in the first few shots." That's it..no explanation or reasoning.

Needless to say I'm not satisfied with my answer. I'm not sure how extraction would work in a bolt gun, obviously I'd be feeding cartridges in single shot.

Any thoughts? Should I leave it alone and move on? Or should I satisfy my curiosity and risk the loss of a $30 adapter?

jason hammac · January 30, 2017, 06:00 PM

I had the same thought, the same company makes one for the .308 Winchester. I have done the work so the .327 will fit. However I am deployed and not been home long enough to fire it!

P Flados · January 30, 2017, 09:44 PM

The "the adapter will split in the first few shots." is obviously describing that the adapter is not designed for the pressure of 327. The "neck" of the adapter is probably the weakest part and can only be so thick.

If you want a fun plicking rifle, just use the adapter with 32 H&R loads that do not exceed the SAAMI pressure.

superspirit · January 30, 2017, 09:49 PM

I think the manufacturer response is correct. the thin adapter combined with the clearance required wouldnt withstand the 45000 cup of the 327. the 32 H&R doesnt have near the pressure rating as the 327.

but if you decide to push on and try it post up your results. I'm sure there are lots of interested people.

I've just been begging the wife for an awesome Bday present the Henry is due to be released the week prior. Please baby please.

TruthTellers · January 31, 2017, 01:08 AM

I asked the guy at MCA if he could make an adapter for the .327 in a 12 gauge shotgun. He said he couldn't do it, that .327 was too hot for a shotgun.

It would explain why he doesn't offer .357 or .44 Magnum either, but it's weird because he makes shotgun adapters that chamber .30-30, .45-70, .30-40 Krag, and 7.62x39, which are all rifle rounds, some reaching 45,000 PSI on the SAAMI scale.

Anyway, I think he's right about the rifle chamber adapter splitting after a few shots. Those adapters are thin, they won't hold up to .327 Magnum.

2ndsojourn · January 31, 2017, 10:31 AM

"I think the manufacturer response is correct. the thin adapter combined with the clearance required wouldnt withstand the 45000 cup of the 327. the 32 H&R doesnt have near the pressure rating as the 327.

but if you decide to push on and try it post up your results. I'm sure there are lots of interested people."

And I'll hold your beer for you.

FrankenMauser · January 31, 2017, 12:52 PM

Quote:

I asked the guy at MCA if he could make an adapter for the .327 in a 12 gauge shotgun. He said he couldn't do it, that .327 was too hot for a shotgun.

It would explain why he doesn't offer .357 or .44 Magnum either, but it's weird because he makes shotgun adapters that chamber .30-30, .45-70, .30-40 Krag, and 7.62x39, which are all rifle rounds, some reaching 45,000 PSI on the SAAMI scale.

His business.
His call.

One thing to keep in mind, though, is that the chamber adapters are just that: chamber adapters. They have to operate within the confines of the original cartridge, which results in very thing chamber walls for the 'adapted' cartridge.
The shotgun inserts, however, are essentially complete barrels, and have substantially more material to work with.

alaskabushman · February 1, 2017, 12:50 AM

Quote:

I asked the guy at MCA if he could make an adapter for the .327 in a 12 gauge shotgun. He said he couldn't do it, that .327 was too hot for a shotgun.

Makes me wonder if he actually knows what the .327 is...it wouldn't be the first time someone had a misunderstanding about what it is. I purchased a box of .32 H&R ($11, how could I pass it up?) from my local gun shop and mentioned I was planning on shooting it in my .327 mag revolver, His eyes got wide and he said "I wouldn't do that, the .32 H&R is way too powerful for that". I appreciated his concern, but I made him dig out a box of .327 so he could compare them, and once I enlightened him he sold me the ammo.

I guess my main concern is for the rifle itself, I don't want to ruin my nice Ruger bolt gun. If the adapter split, oh well, not a big deal really, I would have my answer and be satisfied. If the rifle can contain the pressure of a 30-06, then I assume it can handle the .327, even if the adapter split. However, I know even a little pressure directed the wrong way can have serious consequences. I don't want to commit "assumicide" as my dad calls it.

I'm still on the fence, if I decide to go for it I'll be sure to document it and post the results here.

TruthTellers · February 1, 2017, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Makes me wonder if he actually knows what the .327 is...

Given his answer and how many people have likely asked, I think he knows. And like I said, he also doesn't make a .357 or .44 Magnum adapter. Shortlane, another shotgun adapter manufacturer in Montana, also doesn't make a .357 or .44 Mag adapter, so I'm gonna guess the extra pressure is too much for a break action shotgun.

FrankenMauser · February 1, 2017, 04:44 AM

TruthTellers,
If you want a .327 Federal, then buy one.

Theory and internet quarterbacking are great. But until you own one, you really don't understand what's going on with the cartridge.

.32 H&R != .327 Federal.

Satchmoeddie · February 1, 2017, 08:40 AM

Mom has arthritis, and cannot rack a slide, so we have the Beretta tip up bbl semi-autos, but when a Taurus M327 popped up, with a Crimson Trace grip set, I jumped on it. She has been infatuated with getting a laser aiming device, and loading that .327 up with 32ACPs from the Tomcat lets her have some fun at the range or along a remote stretch of dirt road, and when we get back on the interstate, it gets loaded up with 3 rounds low recoil .327, and 3 rounds of "kock'em outta their shoes" .327. When we stop at a hotel, I put some .32ACP back in, so we don't put a bullet through a bad guy, and or the next 16 hotel rooms. I hope this cartridge gains some traction. I'd LOVE to see an X frame with 9 or 10 .327s holes in it's cylinder. If they can get 8 .357s, they should easily get 9 or maybe even 10 .327s, in that cylinder. If I win the lottery, I swear I will buy an old brewery and turn it into a gun factory. I have one in mind, in a city where steel is milled, and superior tool steels are forged, cast, and machined.

Satchmoeddie · February 1, 2017, 08:45 AM

Check it out. I bought a .327 LCR Ruger. I liked the Taurus M327 better. Both hold 6 not 5 rounds, and if you are on this thread you should know that a hot .327 Fed Mag is within 93% of the power of a .357 S&W Magnum. You can also fire 5 or 6 other .32 centerfire rounds from a .327. Fun stuff!

WhitSpurzon · February 6, 2017, 06:00 PM

AlaskaBushman, why not just load 100-115 grain bullets in 30-06 cases at your desired velocity and not mess with the adapter?

I use the same bullets (RCBS 32-98SWC and the Lyman 311008) I cast for my 327 Single Seven in my 30 caliber rifles (30-30, 308, 30-06). I run them subsonic in the rifles and typically they shoot close to POA with the full power load zero out to 50 yards.

As was mentioned earlier in this thread there is some data at GMDR.com and some older reloading manuals.

For more velocity I typically use the Lee "Soup Can" 113 grain RF with a gas check. It is very accurate but does NOT shoot to the same zero as my typical target/hunting loads. If I was just going out to bust Coyotes I could zero the rifle with that load and have not issues.

My normal use for the lighter bullets is to teach new shooters, low recoil and report, and hunt small game with (Grouse). Whilst out hunting something big and furry, Deer/Bear/Elk, and come across some Grouse (legal here) I can slip one of these light loads and make the harvest cleanly and with a LOT less noise and still have something left to eat.

That being said I hunt small game most often with my 32 caliber Single Six and Seven as it is way fun and a bit more challenging.

Triggernosis · February 6, 2017, 07:55 PM

Whit, where do you purchase your RCBS 32-98SWC bullets?

Creek Henry · February 6, 2017, 10:00 PM

Whit, this is what I did with my father"s old 7.65 mauser. I loaded up a bunch of 100gr 32 acp loads over 8.5 gr of clays. It makes for a great rabbit gun.

alaskabushman · February 7, 2017, 01:38 PM

Whit, thanks for the suggestion, I actually really like this idea. I'll have to acquire a new set of 30-06 dies, but your suggestion is a great one. I'm gonna try it.

FrankenMauser · February 7, 2017, 08:55 PM

Yep.
I use 60 gr XTPs in .30-30.
Super-happy fun times.

Cosmodragoon · February 10, 2017, 02:32 PM

Since Speer discontinued their 115-grain Gold Dots, what heavier factory ammo is out there? These were about perfect: same weight as a lot of defensive 9mm ammo but a heck of a lot faster and with better sectional density.

alaskabushman · February 10, 2017, 05:07 PM

Buffalo Bore make a 130 grain hardcast I believe. Other than that I think its all 100 grainers and under. I've shot the 85 grain Hydra-shok and it seems like good stuff. I don't have a CCW .327, but if I did that's what I'd carry.

The American Eagle 100 grain JSP is no slouch either.

Cosmodragoon · February 11, 2017, 02:35 AM

alaskabushman, the 85-grain Hydra-Shoks are indeed "good stuff". I think they're a perfect fit for the LCR. I already liked the LCR because it was a breeze to carry and was fun to shoot in .38 special. I found the felt recoil of this load to be indistinguishable from a lot of the 120-something grain .38 +p defense loads. So this load let me turn up the heat (and add an extra round) without trading comfort or control.

I felt like the 115-grain Gold Dots hit the same sort of power/recoil sweet spot in the heavier 4" SP101. It looks like they are being replaced with a 100-grain Gold Dot. I'm curious enough to try them. Looking at the listed muzzle velocities, they'll be a tad more energetic at around 500 ft-lbs.

TruthTellers · February 11, 2017, 03:44 PM

Yeah, but the 115 grain gold dots have been discontinued. They are no longer being made by Speer.

Maybe when the .327 Federal gets more popular, Speer or another company will start making 115 grain JHP's for handloaders or maybe make 115 grain ammo themselves.

January 28, 2017, 04:31 PM	#1479
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	The .327 Federal LCR is built on the steel (.357 Mag) LCR frame. So there's really no reason they can't ream a 6-shot cylinder, install a different barrel/liner, and do the same on the .357 LCRx frame (if there's even a difference between frames). __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

February 1, 2017, 04:44 AM	#1489
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	TruthTellers, If you want a .327 Federal, then buy one. Theory and internet quarterbacking are great. But until you own one, you really don't understand what's going on with the cartridge. .32 H&R != .327 Federal. __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

February 1, 2017, 08:40 AM	#1490
Satchmoeddie Member Join Date: November 21, 2008 Posts: 61	Great travel guns, the .327 Taurus M327, or LCR. Mom has arthritis, and cannot rack a slide, so we have the Beretta tip up bbl semi-autos, but when a Taurus M327 popped up, with a Crimson Trace grip set, I jumped on it. She has been infatuated with getting a laser aiming device, and loading that .327 up with 32ACPs from the Tomcat lets her have some fun at the range or along a remote stretch of dirt road, and when we get back on the interstate, it gets loaded up with 3 rounds low recoil .327, and 3 rounds of "kock'em outta their shoes" .327. When we stop at a hotel, I put some .32ACP back in, so we don't put a bullet through a bad guy, and or the next 16 hotel rooms. I hope this cartridge gains some traction. I'd LOVE to see an X frame with 9 or 10 .327s holes in it's cylinder. If they can get 8 .357s, they should easily get 9 or maybe even 10 .327s, in that cylinder. If I win the lottery, I swear I will buy an old brewery and turn it into a gun factory. I have one in mind, in a city where steel is milled, and superior tool steels are forged, cast, and machined.

February 1, 2017, 08:45 AM	#1491
Satchmoeddie Member Join Date: November 21, 2008 Posts: 61	RUGER MAKES THE LCR IN .327 Fed Mag. Check it out. I bought a .327 LCR Ruger. I liked the Taurus M327 better. Both hold 6 not 5 rounds, and if you are on this thread you should know that a hot .327 Fed Mag is within 93% of the power of a .357 S&W Magnum. You can also fire 5 or 6 other .32 centerfire rounds from a .327. Fun stuff!

February 7, 2017, 08:55 PM	#1496
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	Yep. I use 60 gr XTPs in .30-30. Super-happy fun times. __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

January 12, 2017, 02:13 AM	#1476
TruthTellers Senior Member Join Date: October 22, 2016 Posts: 3,888	Cosmo, the .38 and .22 rimfire LCR's have an Aluminum frame, the others are steel. So far as I can tell, Ruger would have to make the steel frame with the longer barrel shroud for the LCRx, with the Aluminum frame, Ruger could make the LCRx in .22 LR and .22 Magnum tomorrow.

January 28, 2017, 01:53 AM	#1477
Cosmodragoon Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2013 Location: Northeastern US Posts: 1,869	It looks like we're ahead of the curve here. Ruger just listed the LCR-X in .357 magnum. I suppose that opens the door for one in .327? http://www.ruger.com/products/lcrx/specSheets/5460.html

January 28, 2017, 02:14 AM	#1478
TruthTellers Senior Member Join Date: October 22, 2016 Posts: 3,888	It does and I'm hearing rumors from other parts of the Internet that a .22 LCRx with 3 inch barrel or longer is already in the works, so that means Ruger is looking at making the longer barreled LCRx revolvers. As for .327, if you can make the LCRx in .357, you can do it with .327. I don't think the higher pressures the .327 operates at will make a difference at all.

January 30, 2017, 03:51 PM	#1480
alaskabushman Senior Member Join Date: January 3, 2013 Location: S.E. Alaska Posts: 146	Something completely unrelated to the current topic. I bought a Single 7 a while back and really enjoy shooting it. I have been drooling over the Henry carbine set to come out soon so that I can have a companion to the S7. However, price puts it a bit out of reach with future home renovations needing funded. An idea started forming in my head. I have a Ruger M77 in 30-06 that rarely gets used, its a very nice gun, Leupold scope, ported barrel, very nice walnut...its just not used much. I'm sure most of you are aware of MCA Sports (http://www.mcace.com/adapters.htm) chamber adapters. They are a semi-permanent way of making certain guns capable of shooting something of lower power. They sell an adapter for the 30-06, chambered for the .32 H&R Mag. A .327 mag chamber reamer from Pacific Tool is around $150. You know where I'm going with this...Why couldn't I ream the chamber of the adapter and then fix it into my 30-06 and make my very own .327 mag rifle? I emailed MCA with this very question. The response? "the adapter will split in the first few shots." That's it..no explanation or reasoning. Needless to say I'm not satisfied with my answer. I'm not sure how extraction would work in a bolt gun, obviously I'd be feeding cartridges in single shot. Any thoughts? Should I leave it alone and move on? Or should I satisfy my curiosity and risk the loss of a $30 adapter?

January 30, 2017, 06:00 PM	#1481
jason hammac Member Join Date: October 19, 2006 Posts: 52	I had the same thought, the same company makes one for the .308 Winchester. I have done the work so the .327 will fit. However I am deployed and not been home long enough to fire it!

January 30, 2017, 09:44 PM	#1482
P Flados Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2017 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 243	The "the adapter will split in the first few shots." is obviously describing that the adapter is not designed for the pressure of 327. The "neck" of the adapter is probably the weakest part and can only be so thick. If you want a fun plicking rifle, just use the adapter with 32 H&R loads that do not exceed the SAAMI pressure.

January 30, 2017, 09:49 PM	#1483
superspirit Senior Member Join Date: April 8, 2013 Posts: 211	I think the manufacturer response is correct. the thin adapter combined with the clearance required wouldnt withstand the 45000 cup of the 327. the 32 H&R doesnt have near the pressure rating as the 327. but if you decide to push on and try it post up your results. I'm sure there are lots of interested people. I've just been begging the wife for an awesome Bday present the Henry is due to be released the week prior. Please baby please.

January 31, 2017, 01:08 AM	#1484
TruthTellers Senior Member Join Date: October 22, 2016 Posts: 3,888	I asked the guy at MCA if he could make an adapter for the .327 in a 12 gauge shotgun. He said he couldn't do it, that .327 was too hot for a shotgun. It would explain why he doesn't offer .357 or .44 Magnum either, but it's weird because he makes shotgun adapters that chamber .30-30, .45-70, .30-40 Krag, and 7.62x39, which are all rifle rounds, some reaching 45,000 PSI on the SAAMI scale. Anyway, I think he's right about the rifle chamber adapter splitting after a few shots. Those adapters are thin, they won't hold up to .327 Magnum.

January 31, 2017, 10:31 AM	#1485
2ndsojourn Senior Member Join Date: January 15, 2013 Location: South Jersey Posts: 1,416	"I think the manufacturer response is correct. the thin adapter combined with the clearance required wouldnt withstand the 45000 cup of the 327. the 32 H&R doesnt have near the pressure rating as the 327. but if you decide to push on and try it post up your results. I'm sure there are lots of interested people." And I'll hold your beer for you.

February 6, 2017, 06:00 PM	#1492
WhitSpurzon Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2005 Location: WETstern Washington Posts: 108	AlaskaBushman, why not just load 100-115 grain bullets in 30-06 cases at your desired velocity and not mess with the adapter? I use the same bullets (RCBS 32-98SWC and the Lyman 311008) I cast for my 327 Single Seven in my 30 caliber rifles (30-30, 308, 30-06). I run them subsonic in the rifles and typically they shoot close to POA with the full power load zero out to 50 yards. As was mentioned earlier in this thread there is some data at GMDR.com and some older reloading manuals. For more velocity I typically use the Lee "Soup Can" 113 grain RF with a gas check. It is very accurate but does NOT shoot to the same zero as my typical target/hunting loads. If I was just going out to bust Coyotes I could zero the rifle with that load and have not issues. My normal use for the lighter bullets is to teach new shooters, low recoil and report, and hunt small game with (Grouse). Whilst out hunting something big and furry, Deer/Bear/Elk, and come across some Grouse (legal here) I can slip one of these light loads and make the harvest cleanly and with a LOT less noise and still have something left to eat. That being said I hunt small game most often with my 32 caliber Single Six and Seven as it is way fun and a bit more challenging.

February 6, 2017, 07:55 PM	#1493
Triggernosis Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2008 Posts: 119	Whit, where do you purchase your RCBS 32-98SWC bullets?

February 6, 2017, 10:00 PM	#1494
Creek Henry Senior Member Join Date: October 23, 2009 Location: Dallas Posts: 514	Whit, this is what I did with my father"s old 7.65 mauser. I loaded up a bunch of 100gr 32 acp loads over 8.5 gr of clays. It makes for a great rabbit gun.

February 7, 2017, 01:38 PM	#1495
alaskabushman Senior Member Join Date: January 3, 2013 Location: S.E. Alaska Posts: 146	Whit, thanks for the suggestion, I actually really like this idea. I'll have to acquire a new set of 30-06 dies, but your suggestion is a great one. I'm gonna try it.

February 10, 2017, 02:32 PM	#1497
Cosmodragoon Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2013 Location: Northeastern US Posts: 1,869	Since Speer discontinued their 115-grain Gold Dots, what heavier factory ammo is out there? These were about perfect: same weight as a lot of defensive 9mm ammo but a heck of a lot faster and with better sectional density.

February 10, 2017, 05:07 PM	#1498
alaskabushman Senior Member Join Date: January 3, 2013 Location: S.E. Alaska Posts: 146	Buffalo Bore make a 130 grain hardcast I believe. Other than that I think its all 100 grainers and under. I've shot the 85 grain Hydra-shok and it seems like good stuff. I don't have a CCW .327, but if I did that's what I'd carry. The American Eagle 100 grain JSP is no slouch either.

February 11, 2017, 02:35 AM	#1499
Cosmodragoon Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2013 Location: Northeastern US Posts: 1,869	alaskabushman, the 85-grain Hydra-Shoks are indeed "good stuff". I think they're a perfect fit for the LCR. I already liked the LCR because it was a breeze to carry and was fun to shoot in .38 special. I found the felt recoil of this load to be indistinguishable from a lot of the 120-something grain .38 +p defense loads. So this load let me turn up the heat (and add an extra round) without trading comfort or control. I felt like the 115-grain Gold Dots hit the same sort of power/recoil sweet spot in the heavier 4" SP101. It looks like they are being replaced with a 100-grain Gold Dot. I'm curious enough to try them. Looking at the listed muzzle velocities, they'll be a tad more energetic at around 500 ft-lbs.

February 11, 2017, 03:44 PM	#1500
TruthTellers Senior Member Join Date: October 22, 2016 Posts: 3,888	Yeah, but the 115 grain gold dots have been discontinued. They are no longer being made by Speer. Maybe when the .327 Federal gets more popular, Speer or another company will start making 115 grain JHP's for handloaders or maybe make 115 grain ammo themselves.