Powder for 9mm and 45acp - Page 2

oldreloader · August 5, 2013, 12:23 AM

I've had good luck with HP38, Bullseye, and AA#5

MEATSAW · August 5, 2013, 02:46 AM

AA #5, #2, silhouette, and competition for various application in 40 and 45.

WESHOOT2 · August 5, 2013, 07:25 AM

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124 gr LRN. I have some IMR 700X, HS-6 and Power Pistol.

Using Power Pistol, I most highly recommend a start charge for your 124g lead (did you weigh a sampling?) of 5.0g.

Real Gun · August 5, 2013, 08:26 AM

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ozo - Never rely on data from any forum......from anyone....unless you know them well.

Come on now, the thing to do is value the information but know enough about reloading to validate it. Does it make sense in light of all you know about powders and other loads? Some obscure powder and bullet combination is hardly the place for a new reloader to start.

In any case, if a specific load is found in the Lee book, why a question? Try the minimum load, if uncomfortable.

BigD_in_FL · August 5, 2013, 08:33 AM

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I'm also new to reloading and I would like to know if I can use 115 gr LRN data for my 124 gr LRN. I have some IMR 700X, HS-6 and Power Pistol. The only data I could find, came out of a Lee reloading book using the 700X and HS-6. Anyone with some data using any of these powders would be greatly appreciated.

thomas

NO!

Go to (and bookmark) the Hodgdon data center website and the one for Alliant and the one for Accurate - those folks have the latest, up-to-date reliable data. Printed matter is nice for a reference, but remember it is out of date by the time it gets printed. The powder makers do the testing, verify the published data as it is their butts on the line

Real Gun · August 5, 2013, 08:57 AM

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BigD_in_FL - but remember it is out of date by the time it gets printed.

Other than failing to include new powders and loads (data), how does that happen with old data?

BigJimP · August 5, 2013, 06:55 PM

The online data ....is updated / and easy to find...no reason to use the old books....

and no, if you're going to load a 115 gr bullet - find data for it / do not use data for 124gr bullet !!
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Hodgdon Universal is my choice on your 2 calibers..../ although Hodgdon TiteGroup is a good choice as well ( if you're careful with it - min and max are close together on TiteGroup).

BigD_in_FL · August 5, 2013, 08:42 PM

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Other than failing to include new powders and loads (data), how does that happen with old data?

Powder formulae change from lot to lot, sometimes enough that the makers will update their websites immediately - not something that can be done with printed material. Manuals are nice for learning about reloading, but for up-to-date data, I prefer the on-line data centers from the powder makers

Clark · August 6, 2013, 01:02 AM

I never use anyone else's loads for 45acp nor 9mm, I make up my own.

I like Power Pistol. It looks and smells like Bullseye. It was once called "Bullseye 84". But it is higher density than Bullseye.

I can get 45 Super performance in a 45acp with 0.235" of feed ramp intrusion in the chamber. I have found no other powder that can do that. But the fire ball is bright. I use 3N37 for low flash applications.

kostyanj · August 6, 2013, 08:27 AM

Lymans 49th has 124gr lead and 115gr lead data for 700x.

Real Gun · August 6, 2013, 12:29 PM

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BigD_in_FL - Powder formulae change from lot to lot, sometimes enough that the makers will update their websites immediately

Where did you get that idea?

BigD_in_FL · August 6, 2013, 05:51 PM

From talking to the folks at the powder companies - they DO answer questions, even in person.............

Brian Pfleuger · August 6, 2013, 06:02 PM

I'd like to see a modern example a powder that changed so much that the load data had to be altered.

Clark · August 8, 2013, 05:24 PM

Brian, I am with you.
We handloaders pay a premium for canister powder, which should be blended to within specifications measured in a closed bomb.

It is like we are buying rulers.
We pay extra for rulers that have the same meaning of an inch consistent with old rulers.

skimbell · August 9, 2013, 09:42 AM

WSF is good for both 9 and 45. It also is the powder that I use for the shotgun buckshot loads I load.
I only seriously load 9, 45, 223, 308 and the 12ga buckshot. WSF takes care of 60% of my powder needs.

August 5, 2013, 02:46 AM	#27
MEATSAW Senior Member Join Date: May 1, 2009 Location: Burnet, TX Posts: 727	AA #5, #2, silhouette, and competition for various application in 40 and 45. __________________ Veteran OEF (2002) and OIF1 (2003) - US Army Member of the Burnet Gun Fighters, Inc. and of course the NRA Oregon State University alum -- Go Beavs!

August 6, 2013, 01:02 AM	#34
Clark Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 1999 Location: WA, the ever blue state Posts: 4,678	I never use anyone else's loads for 45acp nor 9mm, I make up my own. I like Power Pistol. It looks and smells like Bullseye. It was once called "Bullseye 84". But it is higher density than Bullseye. I can get 45 Super performance in a 45acp with 0.235" of feed ramp intrusion in the chamber. I have found no other powder that can do that. But the fire ball is bright. I use 3N37 for low flash applications. __________________ The word 'forum" does not mean "not criticizing books." "Ad hominem fallacy" is not the same as point by point criticism of books. If you bought the book, and believe it all, it may FEEL like an ad hominem attack, but you might strive to accept other points of view may exist. Are we a nation of competing ideas, or a nation of forced conformity of thought?

August 6, 2013, 06:02 PM	#38
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	I'd like to see a modern example a powder that changed so much that the load data had to be altered. __________________ Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley

August 8, 2013, 05:24 PM	#39
Clark Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 1999 Location: WA, the ever blue state Posts: 4,678	Brian, I am with you. We handloaders pay a premium for canister powder, which should be blended to within specifications measured in a closed bomb. It is like we are buying rulers. We pay extra for rulers that have the same meaning of an inch consistent with old rulers. __________________ The word 'forum" does not mean "not criticizing books." "Ad hominem fallacy" is not the same as point by point criticism of books. If you bought the book, and believe it all, it may FEEL like an ad hominem attack, but you might strive to accept other points of view may exist. Are we a nation of competing ideas, or a nation of forced conformity of thought?

August 5, 2013, 12:23 AM	#26
oldreloader Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2009 Location: Magnolia, Arkansas Posts: 251	I've had good luck with HP38, Bullseye, and AA#5

August 5, 2013, 06:55 PM	#32
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	The online data ....is updated / and easy to find...no reason to use the old books.... and no, if you're going to load a 115 gr bullet - find data for it / do not use data for 124gr bullet !! ------------- Hodgdon Universal is my choice on your 2 calibers..../ although Hodgdon TiteGroup is a good choice as well ( if you're careful with it - min and max are close together on TiteGroup).

August 6, 2013, 08:27 AM	#35
kostyanj Member Join Date: March 28, 2010 Posts: 52	Lymans 49th has 124gr lead and 115gr lead data for 700x.

August 6, 2013, 05:51 PM	#37
BigD_in_FL Junior member Join Date: December 20, 2012 Location: The "Gunshine State" Posts: 1,981	From talking to the folks at the powder companies - they DO answer questions, even in person.............

August 9, 2013, 09:42 AM	#40
skimbell Member Join Date: February 21, 2013 Location: NW Illinois Posts: 35	WSF is good for both 9 and 45. It also is the powder that I use for the shotgun buckshot loads I load. I only seriously load 9, 45, 223, 308 and the 12ga buckshot. WSF takes care of 60% of my powder needs.