September 5, 2013, 11:00 AM | #1 |
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460s&w for black bear
I bought a bear permit in PA. I see them during the deer/bear season and have never had the permit. This year I am using my scoped 460xvr for the first time. I am running some slow 250gr HP XTP's and wondering how well that will tackle a bear. Would I be better served to mix the cylinder with a couple of hot loads in a solid bullet or carry my 30-06 into the stand. Also I would like to know what is best shot placement. Neck shot, head, or CM heart?
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North east bear are hardly bigger than a large deer, on average. Massive specimens exist but the average fully-adult female will barely see 200 pounds and a boar has to be 5 or 6 years old to break 400 and will almost never break 500.
Your 460 is plenty enough with whatever you've loaded. Best shot placement is the same is it is with virtually every big game animal in the entire world. Double lung.
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I agree with Brian. Really anything from the hotter 357 mag loads on up would do just fine. While there are some 500-600 lb bear around 200 is normal. Black bear just ain't that big or hard to kill, not very agressive either. Even if you do run into one of the bigger bear you are over gunned.
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I was just reading some more about my loads anyway. Looks like I am going to end up using the 300gr XTP Mag or if I can come upon some the Speer 300gr DC. Either way it takes away any fear of not making a clean kill. I am afraid it might be a bit excessive for the 140lb+- deer I see. Should make for a humane kill either way.
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See your other post. Hornady makes an XTP and an XTP MAG. XTP is for .45LC loaded up to .44 Mag velocities. If you are doing full power loads, use the XTP MAGs. They are made to hold together on impact at .454/460 velocities. On my Casull, I was never able to sight in 300gr XTP Mags at 100 yards without running out of sight adjustment, so I've been quite happy with the 240gr, but either will work well for black bears.
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always aim for vital organs especially if you are pistol hunting. if you have a rifle and you can shoot the wings off a housefly in midflight while blindfolded then yes, head shots and neck shots are good... otherwise, textbook kill zone.
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I agree, that is why a shot to the vital organs(heart and lungs) is necessary. just like with deer a broadside shot right behind the front shoulder will do the trick though with bear the vitals are a little farther forward so if you are quartering then adjust accordingly.
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When it comes to something that can eat you, nothing is excessive.
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Maybe if the topic was brown bear and the venue was Alaska...................................
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tell that to the guys using TC contenders in 45/70.
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What.......that they aren't over-gunned for 500 pound Blackies? I'm thinkin' they already know that. |
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buck460,
If I ever encounter a black bear that makes me wonder if my 44 mag with factory 240 gr loads isn't enough I think I'll take up square dancing as my new hobby and stay out of the woods. |
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Bullcamp.....please show me anywhere in this thread where I stated a .44 mag was not sufficient for hunting Black bear. I actually suggested a 300 gr .460 S&W load that is comparable to a .44 Ruger/TC only load. My comments were that there really is no such thing as overkill when it comes to hunting bears with a straight walled HANDGUN cartridge. My suggestion for the OP was to use the appropriate bullet for the velocity he intends to shoot them at, not that he avoid using a .44. But if and when you find that reference in my post, I'd appreciate you showing it to me. You might actually like the square dancing thingy tho........ |
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Sorry Buck I guess I jumped the gun, no pun intended.
I thought you were implying that because some black bears grow quite large one should be armed with a hand cannon just in case. I think I'd look sharp in a string tie and some highly polished boots doing a do-se-do, but the world will never know. LOL |
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I killed my first black bear with a 357 magnum. I am sure your 460 will be plenty.
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Shot placement is everything! I would rather take a round of 50BMG to the foot than a 22short to the base of the skull. all 26 of my guns are 45/70 govt, 357 mag, 22 or 12 ga... I believe in keeping it simple. Wish my wife did as well... |
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