5K for rifle, how to proceed - Page 3

5RWill · November 3, 2015, 11:18 AM

FWIW there is a stiller tac 30 A/W barreled action on the hide for 1300$. Has a bartlein heavy varmint 6.5 barrel with a 1:8 twist chambered in .260. Chambered by Greg at southern precision. Has 900-1000rds down the tube but it's in good shape. Doesn't come with a trigger but a timney 510 for 80$ and KRG X-Ray for 500-600$ and you'd be in the game.

Taylor is right about time behind the rifle and shooting. Having said that if you supply the parts for a custom rifle it wont be a six month wait at every smith, more like three months if i had to estimate. Also having said that i wouldn't do what i did if i had it to do over again. I wanted custom from the get go, people convinced me otherwise and now i have a 2500$ factory barreled action with extras. Main reason for going custom besides niceties is resale value. They will hold resale value like no doctored remington or Tikka could ever hope to. In that regard i'll likely go custom from here on out.

taylorce1 · November 3, 2015, 03:10 PM

You mean this Stiller Tac 30 AW with Bartlein barrel? It's a little over priced compared to what a new barrel and action costs. Especially since the seller is the second owner and truly doesn't know the round count. The guy with half heartedly offering $900 is actually closer to what the real price should be for a Krylon painted two owner barreled action.

Custom rifles never retain resale value, I don't know where you get that idea. Rifles like GAP, Gradous, and other similar companies offer are not usually offering custom rifles (they will if you pay even more), but full blown custom rifles aren't their bread and butter money makers. They offer production rifles plain and simple, and put together from an established blueprint and that's why they retain more value. They're more akin to a factory 350CI Chevy small block with bolt on performance parts.

5RWill · November 3, 2015, 06:28 PM

1300 is 300$ cheaper than what it would cost new. 995$ for a stiller, 335$ for a bartlein and 300$ to install/chamber. Without at trigger. I agree it is a little overpriced, but it's not horrible, not great but not horrible. Whether 900rnds is rounds on the barrel is worth that discounted price is up to you.

And nothing retains it's retail value, but yes Customs retain much more resale value than a doctored 700. Look at the classfields and see how many people are paying premium for doctored 700s. From what i've seen they're still on sale. Much like the stiller. I couldn't get 2000$ for my 5R having put 2500$ into it.

4runnerman · November 3, 2015, 09:24 PM

$300.00 cheaper then new for a barrel that has 1000 rounds down it?. Half barrel life is gone already. I rebarrel mine once a year and I tell you what-It cost's a heck of a lot more then $300.00 bucks to do it. If all your after is the Action and the Stock-Go for it, but to buy a Bench rifle that is half shot for 300.00 less then new is insane to say the least

Custom's retain their Value only because of the Action and Stock. The barrel is worthless. People buy them with the intent of rebarreling them asap.

Buy a Savage F Class- Shoot it till the barrel is shot. Very good action and a decent stock. Buy a custom barrel for it and your good to go.

5RWill · November 3, 2015, 10:42 PM

I never said it cost 300$ to rebarrel a rifle. Smithing cost yes, plus the barrel no. There's a reason i said it isn't a great deal but not a horrible one either. Your still saving some money for another thousand rounds or so. 1100-1200 would be more preferable. And not everyone buys a used custom with the intent of rebarreling right away if the round count is low. That's a waste of a good barrel and a waste of money to begin with. I completely see your point if a barrel is well used. To act as if every custom has 1000s of rounds down the barrel is a little far fetched. There are guys who get into this sport then want something different and turn around and sell custom guns with less than 200rds down the tube.

If he wants a savage fine, but he specifically stated he can spend 5k. I don't see why he has to start with a production rifle if he doesn't want to. I mean if he just fired a firearm yesterday i'd agree but that apparently isn't the case.

agtman · November 4, 2015, 08:17 AM

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* * * but yes Customs retain much more resale value than a doctored 700.

Agree.

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To act as if every custom has 1000s of rounds down the barrel is a little far fetched. There are guys who get into this sport then want something different and turn around and sell custom guns with less than 200rds down the tube.

Well put ... The O.P. should really go over to the Sniper's Hide board and check out the classified ads there. He'll find a lot of great long-range precision rifles getting sold there, including some GAP sticks.

Plus, on the 'Hide, he can read any number of informative posts from serious, experienced shooters who practice and compete in all sorts of long range matches on a regular basis with their pricey set-ups, not to mention reload for them too, and who actually know what they're talking about ...

Not so many "Sunday afternoon snipers" hanging out there, ... LOL

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* * * Look at the classfields and see how many people are paying premium for doctored 700s. From what i've seen they're still on sale. Much like the stiller. I couldn't get 2000$ for my 5R having put 2500$ into it.

Yep, ... oh well, ...

Good luck to the O.P. with whatever choice you make.

emcon5 · November 4, 2015, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by precision_shooter

$5k for a 1,000 yard rifle?

Savage 12 Long Range Precision in 6.5 Creedmoor. $1k
Vortex Viper PST or Razor scope. $1-2k
Harris of atlas bipod. $100-$300
Spend the rest on ammo or components and trigger time. $thats a lot of ammo and trigger time...

This is worth repeating, but I would include the Ruger Precision Rifle, they are about the same price I think.

Unlicensed Dremel · November 8, 2015, 12:03 PM

I'm no expert, but I'd just go to gunbroker.

Select Bolt Action Rifles.

Then add the term "custom" - there will be 12-13 pages, some of them VERY good values (and some not). Some are complete rigs with scopes; most do not come with scopes. You will likely get a LOT of rifle for half to 2/3rds of your budget. Obviously, the overbore chambering rifles are riskier as to remaining throat life, so factor in whether the bbl is long enough to turn down and still be as long as you want, and the cost of doing so.

Another good route is to have one of these specialist companies like GAP or Gunwerks or whathave you - build you the complete rifle. There are many good custom builders like this - I'd go with Proof Research in Columbia Falls MT with that budget if going that route - due to their carbon-fiber wrapped barrel.

But I would probably first decide the *general* weight/size you want: Light, medium-light, medium, medium-heavy, or heavy (i.e. is it ever going to be a real field rifle or not?). I prefer light or medium-light, because why not? You can still get outstanding accuracy and keep it light.

I would probably narrow you caliber down to two or three (6mm, 6.5mm, and 7mm are your best bets for the vast majority of long range stuff), and then narrow your chambering preferences down to about 6 or 8, something like that.

Finally, I would study this carefully:

http://precisionrifleblog.com/catego...-the-pros-use/

A 6mm chambering of some type seems to be the way to go out to around 1000-1200, but then maybe a 6.5 or 7mm if trying to go past 1250. Don't really need the insane recoiling stuff (.338s, .50s, .416s, .375 Cheytac, etc) unless and until you're trying insane distances - over 2000 yards.....OR if you want/need a lot of retained energy, like anti-materiel to 1000+.

Personally, if I had that cash, and I don't, I would have Proof Research build my "ultimate lightweight scout" which I have spoken of before, which is not really what people think of when they think precision rifle (this is more of a hunting rifle build), but just throwing it out there...
-Defiance Rebel action
-blind mag (no bottom metal)
-Bbl: .260 Rem, 21", 8.5 twist, from Rock Creek or whathaveyou; Proof carbon fiber wrap
-forward scope mount
-receiver cut out for stripper clips
-a "combo" sling of my own design
-Stock: problematic and custom, but a starting point would be a 90% CF fill manners MCS-SL or EH6, with refinements such as a trapdoor compartment in the bottom of the buttstock for one full stripper clip.

If I was building a heavier one for what you describe, it would be a medium-weight rig with 27" bbl in 7mm RSAUM or 7mm WSM.

Here are a few other top chambering choices for that purpose (with proper twist rates for longer bullets): 6XC, 6mmBR, 6x47mm, .243 win, .260 rem, .260 AI, 6.5 creedmoor, 6.5x47mm, 6.5-.284 Norma, 6.5x55 swede. If you're actually going to hunt large game with it, too, I'd tend toward a 6.5mm, 7mm, or .30 cal.... like 7mm WSM, 7mm RSAUM, .280 Rem, .280 AI, .284 Win, .300 WSM, .308 Norma mag, .308 Baer, or even .30-'06. OK, OK, here's the obligatory .308 win inclusion, but man oh man, how boring is that?

When in doubt, top it with some sort of Nightforce, and voila. If you'd have said $10K, I'd say US Optics or Schmidt and Bender instead.

YMMV

agtman · November 8, 2015, 04:51 PM

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Another good route is to have one of these specialist companies like GAP or Gunwerks or whathave you - build you the complete rifle. There are many good custom builders like this - I'd go with Proof Research in Columbia Falls MT with that budget if going that route - due to their carbon-fiber wrapped barrel.

Wow, ...

... when I made a similar suggestion a long way back at post #12, I got shouted down by all the "Sunday afternoon snipers."

taylorce1 · November 8, 2015, 10:16 PM

This was the OP's very first post where he clearly outlined his budget for rifle and optics.

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Originally Posted by Madball6

So, now I want to buy/build a 1000 yard rifle. (will have no other purpose other than bench shooting long range) I can throw $5000 into this project, including glass.

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Originally Posted by agtman

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Originally Posted by Unlicensed Dremel

Another good route is to have one of these specialist companies like GAP or Gunwerks or whathave you - build you the complete rifle. There are many good custom builders like this - I'd go with Proof Research in Columbia Falls MT with that budget if going that route - due to their carbon-fiber wrapped barrel.

Wow, ...

... when I made a similar suggestion a long way back at post #12, I got shouted down by all the "Sunday afternoon snipers."

In post #40 I asked you exactly how you would build a GAP rifle with optics for $5000? The basic GAP hunting rifle starts at $3000, and most of the precision rifles start over $4000. Same with Proof Research their basic rifle starts at $5800 and the majority are over $6000 without glass.

So explain to all of us "Sunday afternoon snipers" (mainly this wannabe sniper) how you plan to not go over the OP's original budget?

Unlicensed Dremel · November 8, 2015, 11:07 PM

Oops, my bad. You're right - not really in budget. Well then back to my initial buy-used advice.

Might even try then Ruger RPR in 6.5 CM for under $1,200, if you like it. Then you've got a LOT to spend on optics.

5RWill · November 9, 2015, 01:09 AM

Stiller Tac 30 995$
Timney 510 100$
Bartlein 335$
Smithing 300$
KRG Whiskey 3 925$

Total rifle cost 2655$ roughly. Could save 300$ by going with an X-ray.

Optics Vortex Razor Gen II 3-18 2200$ new. Under 2-grand used to slightly used.

Spend the rest on rings and ammo.

Though he hasn't replied in some time so i guess we'll see what he wants to do. Or if he's even doing it anymore lol.

taylorce1 · November 9, 2015, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 5RWill

Stiller Tac 30 995$
Timney 510 100$
Bartlein 335$
Smithing 300$
KRG Whiskey 3 925$

I like this one but I still can't find the Stiller or Timney as cheaply as you listed. I'm about $80 more on both those items. No that that adds much in the scheme of things, just one less AI magazine I could buy.

Madball6 · November 9, 2015, 08:03 PM

OP here, still looking at options. After looking at some of the custom builders out there I think I may need to up my budget. Contemplating the SAC Alpha 11, 6.5 creedmoor AX. That takes me to my budget without glass. Might sell my tavor or one of my AR's to fund glass.

-madball

5RWill · November 10, 2015, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Taylorce1

I like this one but I still can't find the Stiller or Timney as cheaply as you listed. I'm about $80 more on both those items. No that that adds much in the scheme of things, just one less AI magazine I could buy.

I was guestimating on the Timney honestly. Here is the Tac 30 for 995$
http://www.swpcustom.com/tac30.html Granted it's not the AW cut.

Here is the AW cut for 1005$
http://bugholes.com/index.php?route=...product_id=211

This isn't taking into account FFL transfer fees and shipping which would probably equal out but i don't know local shops that carry tons of customs. I know of one in MS that carries Defiance and Stiller.

Here is a pretty dang good deal for a Stiller tac 300, Brux 30 cal remington varmint 1:10, and a timney 510 for 1375$ new. Saves almost the cost of the trigger.
http://www.swpcustom.com/stpkg.html

I mean honestly if i were building a magnum i would jump on it. Still might if i land this new job hehe. If it was a Tac 30 AW i'd be hard pressed not to get that package vs just getting a tempest. I do really want the Tempest though and am remaining vigilant.

taylorce1 · November 10, 2015, 09:50 AM

Thanks 5RWill I thought the Bugholes action was $1050, but the cheapest I'm finding the Timney right now is around $130.

5RWill · November 10, 2015, 10:26 PM

Np i thought it was too. Yeah i googled the 510 and they're more expensive than i thought. Though i'm eagerly awaiting Timney's two stage. Supposedly can adjust down to 8oz second stage.

Cadex also has a good two stage trigger but i think the second stage limit is 2lbs, a little course for me. I'd prefer 1-1.5lbs. but with adrenaline pumping in competition i doubt i'd notice.

That tac 300 package is very very tempting.

Kimber84 · November 21, 2015, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Madball6

Has anyone here used Short Action Customs to build a rifle?

-Madball

I have one built by Mark, it's a shooter alright. .308 throated out for 208 g AMAXs. Last summer at Thunder Valley I made five consecutive hits with it at 1000 yards on a steel plate.

The rifle is perfect in every aspect. I had it built up as a longer range hunting rifle and its proven itself very worthy.

Bighorn Long Action
Vais brake
McMillan Stock
Jewell Trigger
Bartlein 1:10 barrel

Road_Clam · November 22, 2015, 08:33 AM

Awesome projectile those 208 Amax's !! That was my go to bullet when I took the Sig Saur Academy's "reach for a thousand" long range instructional class. I shot the 208 in .300WM and used 76 gr of H1000 and I was nailing 12" balloons at 1K . Outstanding consistency.

wahsben · November 22, 2015, 07:31 PM

Ruger precision rifle already comes with 20 moa on the rail and if you like .243 it has the right twist for the heavier bullets.
Also the 6.5 and the .308 is good but the .308 only has a 20" barrel.
At its price it leaves a lot of money left over for optics, ammo and other accessories.

RC20 · November 25, 2015, 11:11 PM

Try this one

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/110BA

15 lbs and it won't kick - much, muzzle brake and for under 3k.

Madball6 · January 28, 2016, 07:24 PM

After a few months of looking around, and finally deciding, this just came home with me. 6.5cm

Nathan · January 30, 2016, 07:12 AM

That's pretty sweet....can you tell me more what I'm looking at? Also, just wondering, why that scope? Optics are always a hard choic, so I'm just wondering how you chose that.

alex0535 · January 30, 2016, 04:42 PM

Look up and maybe give Accurate Ordnance a call, they are a relatively local company to me, they have a reputation for excellence in accuracy, fit and finish, and customer service, as well as a faster than usual turnaround time on a custom precision rifle because they keep an inventory of match barrels, actions, stocks, etc. Everything they make is guaranteed 3/8 moa with factory match ammo. Lots of examples of some shooting in the teens at 100 yards with tuned handloads.

If I'm dropping this kind of money I want a rifle with accuracy only limited by my ability. Accurate Ordnance will get my money if I ever have this sort of money to spend on a rifle.

Edit: just saw your post, hope you like it and that it shoots great.

RC20 · January 30, 2016, 07:22 PM

Contact Savage custom rifle section and have them build you a 30-06 HB

That gets you significant FPS over a 308, make sure it has the barrel nut you can remove and you can change it to any caliber you want (with the 30-06 base and even others changing the head of the bolt

down the road if you shoot out the barrel you can replace it.

November 3, 2015, 11:18 AM	#51
5RWill Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2008 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,654	FWIW there is a stiller tac 30 A/W barreled action on the hide for 1300$. Has a bartlein heavy varmint 6.5 barrel with a 1:8 twist chambered in .260. Chambered by Greg at southern precision. Has 900-1000rds down the tube but it's in good shape. Doesn't come with a trigger but a timney 510 for 80$ and KRG X-Ray for 500-600$ and you'd be in the game. Taylor is right about time behind the rifle and shooting. Having said that if you supply the parts for a custom rifle it wont be a six month wait at every smith, more like three months if i had to estimate. Also having said that i wouldn't do what i did if i had it to do over again. I wanted custom from the get go, people convinced me otherwise and now i have a 2500$ factory barreled action with extras. Main reason for going custom besides niceties is resale value. They will hold resale value like no doctored remington or Tikka could ever hope to. In that regard i'll likely go custom from here on out. __________________ Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me."

November 3, 2015, 03:10 PM	#52
taylorce1 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2005 Location: On the Santa Fe Trail Posts: 8,249	You mean this Stiller Tac 30 AW with Bartlein barrel? It's a little over priced compared to what a new barrel and action costs. Especially since the seller is the second owner and truly doesn't know the round count. The guy with half heartedly offering $900 is actually closer to what the real price should be for a Krylon painted two owner barreled action. Custom rifles never retain resale value, I don't know where you get that idea. Rifles like GAP, Gradous, and other similar companies offer are not usually offering custom rifles (they will if you pay even more), but full blown custom rifles aren't their bread and butter money makers. They offer production rifles plain and simple, and put together from an established blueprint and that's why they retain more value. They're more akin to a factory 350CI Chevy small block with bolt on performance parts. __________________ NRA Life Member

November 3, 2015, 06:28 PM	#53
5RWill Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2008 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,654	1300 is 300$ cheaper than what it would cost new. 995$ for a stiller, 335$ for a bartlein and 300$ to install/chamber. Without at trigger. I agree it is a little overpriced, but it's not horrible, not great but not horrible. Whether 900rnds is rounds on the barrel is worth that discounted price is up to you. And nothing retains it's retail value, but yes Customs retain much more resale value than a doctored 700. Look at the classfields and see how many people are paying premium for doctored 700s. From what i've seen they're still on sale. Much like the stiller. I couldn't get 2000$ for my 5R having put 2500$ into it. __________________ Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me."

November 3, 2015, 09:24 PM	#54
4runnerman Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2010 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,577	$300.00 cheaper then new for a barrel that has 1000 rounds down it?. Half barrel life is gone already. I rebarrel mine once a year and I tell you what-It cost's a heck of a lot more then $300.00 bucks to do it. If all your after is the Action and the Stock-Go for it, but to buy a Bench rifle that is half shot for 300.00 less then new is insane to say the least Custom's retain their Value only because of the Action and Stock. The barrel is worthless. People buy them with the intent of rebarreling them asap. Buy a Savage F Class- Shoot it till the barrel is shot. Very good action and a decent stock. Buy a custom barrel for it and your good to go. __________________ NRA Certified RSO NwCP- Performance Isn't Optional

November 3, 2015, 10:42 PM	#55
5RWill Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2008 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,654	I never said it cost 300$ to rebarrel a rifle. Smithing cost yes, plus the barrel no. There's a reason i said it isn't a great deal but not a horrible one either. Your still saving some money for another thousand rounds or so. 1100-1200 would be more preferable. And not everyone buys a used custom with the intent of rebarreling right away if the round count is low. That's a waste of a good barrel and a waste of money to begin with. I completely see your point if a barrel is well used. To act as if every custom has 1000s of rounds down the barrel is a little far fetched. There are guys who get into this sport then want something different and turn around and sell custom guns with less than 200rds down the tube. If he wants a savage fine, but he specifically stated he can spend 5k. I don't see why he has to start with a production rifle if he doesn't want to. I mean if he just fired a firearm yesterday i'd agree but that apparently isn't the case. __________________ Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me." Last edited by 5RWill; November 4, 2015 at 01:09 AM.

November 8, 2015, 12:03 PM	#58
Unlicensed Dremel Junior member Join Date: February 13, 2014 Location: Flathead Valley, MT Posts: 2,187	I'm no expert, but I'd just go to gunbroker. Select Bolt Action Rifles. Then add the term "custom" - there will be 12-13 pages, some of them VERY good values (and some not). Some are complete rigs with scopes; most do not come with scopes. You will likely get a LOT of rifle for half to 2/3rds of your budget. Obviously, the overbore chambering rifles are riskier as to remaining throat life, so factor in whether the bbl is long enough to turn down and still be as long as you want, and the cost of doing so. Another good route is to have one of these specialist companies like GAP or Gunwerks or whathave you - build you the complete rifle. There are many good custom builders like this - I'd go with Proof Research in Columbia Falls MT with that budget if going that route - due to their carbon-fiber wrapped barrel. But I would probably first decide the general weight/size you want: Light, medium-light, medium, medium-heavy, or heavy (i.e. is it ever going to be a real field rifle or not?). I prefer light or medium-light, because why not? You can still get outstanding accuracy and keep it light. I would probably narrow you caliber down to two or three (6mm, 6.5mm, and 7mm are your best bets for the vast majority of long range stuff), and then narrow your chambering preferences down to about 6 or 8, something like that. Finally, I would study this carefully: http://precisionrifleblog.com/catego...-the-pros-use/ A 6mm chambering of some type seems to be the way to go out to around 1000-1200, but then maybe a 6.5 or 7mm if trying to go past 1250. Don't really need the insane recoiling stuff (.338s, .50s, .416s, .375 Cheytac, etc) unless and until you're trying insane distances - over 2000 yards.....OR if you want/need a lot of retained energy, like anti-materiel to 1000+. Personally, if I had that cash, and I don't, I would have Proof Research build my "ultimate lightweight scout" which I have spoken of before, which is not really what people think of when they think precision rifle (this is more of a hunting rifle build), but just throwing it out there... -Defiance Rebel action -blind mag (no bottom metal) -Bbl: .260 Rem, 21", 8.5 twist, from Rock Creek or whathaveyou; Proof carbon fiber wrap -forward scope mount -receiver cut out for stripper clips -a "combo" sling of my own design -Stock: problematic and custom, but a starting point would be a 90% CF fill manners MCS-SL or EH6, with refinements such as a trapdoor compartment in the bottom of the buttstock for one full stripper clip. If I was building a heavier one for what you describe, it would be a medium-weight rig with 27" bbl in 7mm RSAUM or 7mm WSM. Here are a few other top chambering choices for that purpose (with proper twist rates for longer bullets): 6XC, 6mmBR, 6x47mm, .243 win, .260 rem, .260 AI, 6.5 creedmoor, 6.5x47mm, 6.5-.284 Norma, 6.5x55 swede. If you're actually going to hunt large game with it, too, I'd tend toward a 6.5mm, 7mm, or .30 cal.... like 7mm WSM, 7mm RSAUM, .280 Rem, .280 AI, .284 Win, .300 WSM, .308 Norma mag, .308 Baer, or even .30-'06. OK, OK, here's the obligatory .308 win inclusion, but man oh man, how boring is that? When in doubt, top it with some sort of Nightforce, and voila. If you'd have said $10K, I'd say US Optics or Schmidt and Bender instead. YMMV Last edited by Unlicensed Dremel; November 8, 2015 at 12:37 PM.

November 8, 2015, 11:07 PM	#61
Unlicensed Dremel Junior member Join Date: February 13, 2014 Location: Flathead Valley, MT Posts: 2,187	Oops, my bad. You're right - not really in budget. Well then back to my initial buy-used advice. Might even try then Ruger RPR in 6.5 CM for under $1,200, if you like it. Then you've got a LOT to spend on optics.

November 9, 2015, 01:09 AM	#62
5RWill Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2008 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,654	Stiller Tac 30 995$ Timney 510 100$ Bartlein 335$ Smithing 300$ KRG Whiskey 3 925$ Total rifle cost 2655$ roughly. Could save 300$ by going with an X-ray. Optics Vortex Razor Gen II 3-18 2200$ new. Under 2-grand used to slightly used. Spend the rest on rings and ammo. Though he hasn't replied in some time so i guess we'll see what he wants to do. Or if he's even doing it anymore lol. __________________ Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me."

November 9, 2015, 08:03 PM	#64
Madball6 Senior Member Join Date: March 30, 2011 Posts: 211	OP here, still looking at options. After looking at some of the custom builders out there I think I may need to up my budget. Contemplating the SAC Alpha 11, 6.5 creedmoor AX. That takes me to my budget without glass. Might sell my tavor or one of my AR's to fund glass. -madball

November 10, 2015, 09:50 AM	#66
taylorce1 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2005 Location: On the Santa Fe Trail Posts: 8,249	Thanks 5RWill I thought the Bugholes action was $1050, but the cheapest I'm finding the Timney right now is around $130. __________________ NRA Life Member

November 10, 2015, 10:26 PM	#67
5RWill Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2008 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,654	Np i thought it was too. Yeah i googled the 510 and they're more expensive than i thought. Though i'm eagerly awaiting Timney's two stage. Supposedly can adjust down to 8oz second stage. Cadex also has a good two stage trigger but i think the second stage limit is 2lbs, a little course for me. I'd prefer 1-1.5lbs. but with adrenaline pumping in competition i doubt i'd notice. That tac 300 package is very very tempting. __________________ Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me."

November 22, 2015, 08:33 AM	#69
Road_Clam Senior Member Join Date: November 21, 2013 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 1,695	Awesome projectile those 208 Amax's !! That was my go to bullet when I took the Sig Saur Academy's "reach for a thousand" long range instructional class. I shot the 208 in .300WM and used 76 gr of H1000 and I was nailing 12" balloons at 1K . Outstanding consistency. __________________ "To be old an wise you must have been young and stupid"

November 22, 2015, 07:31 PM	#70
wahsben Member Join Date: January 16, 2005 Posts: 48	Ruger precision rifle already comes with 20 moa on the rail and if you like .243 it has the right twist for the heavier bullets. Also the 6.5 and the .308 is good but the .308 only has a 20" barrel. At its price it leaves a lot of money left over for optics, ammo and other accessories.

November 25, 2015, 11:11 PM	#71
RC20 Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 7,014	Try this one http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/110BA 15 lbs and it won't kick - much, muzzle brake and for under 3k.

January 30, 2016, 07:12 AM	#73
Nathan Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2001 Posts: 6,333	That's pretty sweet....can you tell me more what I'm looking at? Also, just wondering, why that scope? Optics are always a hard choic, so I'm just wondering how you chose that.

January 30, 2016, 04:42 PM	#74
alex0535 Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2012 Location: Georgia Posts: 908	Look up and maybe give Accurate Ordnance a call, they are a relatively local company to me, they have a reputation for excellence in accuracy, fit and finish, and customer service, as well as a faster than usual turnaround time on a custom precision rifle because they keep an inventory of match barrels, actions, stocks, etc. Everything they make is guaranteed 3/8 moa with factory match ammo. Lots of examples of some shooting in the teens at 100 yards with tuned handloads. If I'm dropping this kind of money I want a rifle with accuracy only limited by my ability. Accurate Ordnance will get my money if I ever have this sort of money to spend on a rifle. Edit: just saw your post, hope you like it and that it shoots great.

January 30, 2016, 07:22 PM	#75
RC20 Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 7,014	Contact Savage custom rifle section and have them build you a 30-06 HB That gets you significant FPS over a 308, make sure it has the barrel nut you can remove and you can change it to any caliber you want (with the 30-06 base and even others changing the head of the bolt down the road if you shoot out the barrel you can replace it.