Help me find: sub-caliber training shells.

Long Path · August 16, 2001, 05:45 PM

A good 10+ years ago, in Guns & Ammo, I believe, they did a report on a really nifty tool. These were shells that unscrewed so that a .38 Spl cartridge could be inserted to a sub-chamber, and then could be cycled through and fired out of the shotgun. The end of the "shell" had about 3/4" to 1" of barrel, and the bullet would travel down the barrel without touching the bore, and hit right where the shotgun was pointing.

The big plus to this is that there's almost no felt recoil, relative to a shotgun shell fired from a pump gun. This allows people to train with their manual of arms without receiving the unfortunate slamming of recoil, and they can improve their manual of arms.

But I haven't seen these things. Where are they? Ideally, they'd have a similar sub-caliber round for .22 rimfire (which obviously would be harder to design.).

Anybody seen them? Anybody got an actual brand name for them? Know the cost? I want some!

--L.P.

Long Path · August 17, 2001, 05:46 AM

BTT

Long Path · August 18, 2001, 08:06 AM

Come on, friends! NOBODY here knows anything about these things?

L.P.

Long Path · August 21, 2001, 11:56 PM

$30 a pop! Ouch!

We'll keep looking...

Thanks!

Dave McC · August 22, 2001, 07:41 AM

I think it's Orvis that adverstises Little Skeeters, sub bbls that fit into a 12 or 20 ga and are set up for 28 ga or 410. They're about 8" long. from the pic. Patterns may be, uh, open.

August 16, 2001, 05:45 PM	#1
Long Path Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 1999 Location: N. Texas Posts: 5,899	Help me find: sub-caliber training shells. A good 10+ years ago, in Guns & Ammo, I believe, they did a report on a really nifty tool. These were shells that unscrewed so that a .38 Spl cartridge could be inserted to a sub-chamber, and then could be cycled through and fired out of the shotgun. The end of the "shell" had about 3/4" to 1" of barrel, and the bullet would travel down the barrel without touching the bore, and hit right where the shotgun was pointing. The big plus to this is that there's almost no felt recoil, relative to a shotgun shell fired from a pump gun. This allows people to train with their manual of arms without receiving the unfortunate slamming of recoil, and they can improve their manual of arms. But I haven't seen these things. Where are they? Ideally, they'd have a similar sub-caliber round for .22 rimfire (which obviously would be harder to design.). Anybody seen them? Anybody got an actual brand name for them? Know the cost? I want some! --L.P. __________________ "Welcome to The Firing Line, a virtual community dedicated to the discussion and advancement of responsible firearms ownership."T.F.L. Policy Page Will you, too, be one who stands in the gap? ____________

August 17, 2001, 05:46 AM	#2
Long Path Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 1999 Location: N. Texas Posts: 5,899	BTT __________________ "Welcome to The Firing Line, a virtual community dedicated to the discussion and advancement of responsible firearms ownership."T.F.L. Policy Page Will you, too, be one who stands in the gap? ____________

August 18, 2001, 08:06 AM	#3
Long Path Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 1999 Location: N. Texas Posts: 5,899	Come on, friends! NOBODY here knows anything about these things? L.P. __________________ "Welcome to The Firing Line, a virtual community dedicated to the discussion and advancement of responsible firearms ownership."T.F.L. Policy Page Will you, too, be one who stands in the gap? ____________

August 21, 2001, 11:56 PM	#4
Long Path Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 1999 Location: N. Texas Posts: 5,899	$30 a pop! Ouch! We'll keep looking... Thanks! __________________ "Welcome to The Firing Line, a virtual community dedicated to the discussion and advancement of responsible firearms ownership."T.F.L. Policy Page Will you, too, be one who stands in the gap? ____________

August 22, 2001, 07:41 AM	#5
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	I think it's Orvis that adverstises Little Skeeters, sub bbls that fit into a 12 or 20 ga and are set up for 28 ga or 410. They're about 8" long. from the pic. Patterns may be, uh, open.