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We have already seen testimony that some of the F&F gunwalking involved getting guns through border checkpoints. The Border Patrol is part of Homeland Security and does not take orders from ATF or US Attorneys; that type of understanding has to be reached between Homeland Security and DOJ.
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I just thought about this...
OK, so the guns that were used to murder agent Zapata didn't come from F&F. Rep Michael McCaul's question was: Quote:
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How could she not have known a year afterward? If the info wasn't out there - how could CBS have turned it up last week? Janet Napolitano is doing the same thing Holder is... someone who is that out of touch with what is going on can't possibly run an organization. She is can't possibly run Homeland Security and be that ignorant of the Zapata case. And they play semantics... everything depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is. |
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C0untZer0, re your post #2044:
I guess that nobody ever told Janet about "going to hell for lying, just like for stealing", or if they did, she didn't believe them. Is "the plot thickens" appropriate? |
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At this point in time, would it be using an overly broad brush to "paint the following word picture"?
There is nothing about the Obama Administration that is not rotten to the core, at least respecting Executive Branch Agencies? |
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Operation White Gun?
I am starting to wonder if the Zapata murder weapons came from operation White Gun.
The story of the existence of that operation was broken by the LA Times. That is suspect in itself because the LA Times, much like MSNBC has largely ignored the story, until they started squaking about operation Wide Receiver and how it originated under the Bush administration. Certainly the LA Times has not been investigating the story. There are some who have speculated that the story of Operation White Gun was given to the LA Times by sources in the Obama administration. The tought goes that it's much better to have the LA Times or MSNBC report on it than have Sharyl Attkisson or Fox news break the story. In the LA Times story: Quote:
The DOJ has done a pretty good job of bottling up info about White Gun, I have't heard a single word of it for over a month. |
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Really, good point, and my bad. Been a long week. Let's all avoid pure politics, though.
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Tom Servo closed one post with the following,
"Let's all avoid pure politics, though." ------------------------------------- How about "impure politics", which seems to describe the antics of Obama et al re firearms in general and Fast & Furious in particular. Having no desire to get into an argument with anyone, I will close here. |
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I was wondering why there isn't a Wikipedia entry for Fast & Furious yet (not the car movie)
There are Wikipedia entries for Whitewater, Iran -Contra, Watergate etc... But nothing on Fast & Furious. |
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I'll call Dave Workman on Monday and get him started on it.
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^ Super cool
I was looking for "Fast & Furious" specifically and when I searched I didn't see anything in Wikipedia on it, at least not on the first page. |
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poptime's link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal) takes one to what appears to be a thorough, well documented article.
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One issue I note is that the Wikipedia article repeats the "There is no law against firearms trafficking" statement. There are some problems with this statement since:
1. There is a law against dealing in firearms as a business without an FFL and there is a law against straw purchasing (18 USC 922 (a)(6)) 2. While the straw purchasers in Fast and Furious did not receive a large sentence, federal law allowed for them to receive as much as 10 years in prison (18 U.S.C. Sec. 921) for the crime. The fact that these sentences aren't being handed out isn't a problem with our laws; but rather the way those laws are administered. |
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^ I noticed that too. I was thinking of contacting the author to notify him of that, but I am busy writing letters to the Executive Committee of the Illinois House concerning the recent anti-gun legislation that was drafted.
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Bartholomew Roberts,
If you see something inaccurate in Wikipedia, change it! Here is how it works from About Wikipedia: Quote:
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Bartholomew Roberts in post 2067 pointed out what is a serious error in what appeared to be a good article, "there is no law against firearms trafficking". One wonders as to how come this very basic error.
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Just a friendly word of warning. Don't know if it will happen or not, just giving you a heads up. Wikipedia is great for non-controversial subjects, but there are some spotty areas.
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It doesn't seem to me that anti-gunners are aware of it.
The article seems for the most part to be free of bias. There are some things in there that are debatable - such as the intent of some of these operations, but the author has listed the stated intent of BATFE. In response to this paragraph in the article: Quote:
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