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I'm not saying it would happen, but couldn't these people be prosecuted in 2013 if Obama loses the election?
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August 28, 2011, 10:49 AM | #903 |
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Expect the President to pardon everyone at the last minute.
They could be prosecuted right now if the media did their jobs instead of being cheerleaders. |
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At this level of government, CYA is an art form, and anyone that has risen (sunk?) to it has to be a master.
The quality of Watergate that has always most impressed me is not that the burglary took place, and not that the cover-up took place, but that the scandal survived at all and managed to bring the administration down. I am glad that F&F/Gunwalker seems to be gaining momentum, but aside from writing my representative (which I have, twice) urging his support for Issa's investigation, I'm just waiting to see whether it can bag anything, not what (who?). |
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That's the thing, Dan, nobody who is responsible can be punished by anything than having the person who appointed them fail of re-election, and that doesn't ensure they will lose their jobs, since DoJ is at the core of this rotten apple express. I have to wonder if Congressmen and women who voted to defund them in punishment would suddenly find themselves on terrorist watch lists and such.
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thallub, your premise is flawed. Under Gunrunner, the straw purchasers were arrested.
When it morphed into Fast and Furious, the straw purchasers were facilitated, the theory being that they would lead ATF agents to bigger fish. Only problem was, ATF didn't have the ability to track the weapons or straw purchasers... But no, you can't impugn the previous administration over the program that started in 2006. The character of the operation changed after the changing of the guard. |
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Even if the president pardons those responsible, nothing says that Mexico can't issue warrants for their arrest given the very real damage it has done in Mexico.
That would put a big kink in any travel plans when first they have to make sure that the country they are visiting doesn't have an extradition treaty with Mexico. Doing a basic Google search reveals that most of the major countries do have such treaties, including Canada.
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CBS News is reporting that Melson is gone. He has been moved to a position of Senior Advisor on Forensic Science in the Office of Legal Programs (DoJ). The same report also says that Dennis Burke, the U.S. Attorney in Phoenix and a key Fast and Furious player has resigned effective immediately. His accomplice and AUSA, Emory Hurley is also being moved to a position in DOJ's Civil Division.
CBS reports that Todd Jones out of Minnesota will replace Melson. All in all, some interesting developments today. Makes me wonder what is going on behind the scenes. |
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This just brings them directly under the thumb of thr doj. Easier to control i would think. Until the people behind this end up with long stays in prison justice will not be served
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I have serious doubts on just how effective Todd Jones will be as interim director. He's still cleaning up a big mess in Minnesota. His management style in this sort of thing is very hands on, so I wonder which job is going to suffer the most?
On the other hand, Kenneth Melson was a train wreck...or at least he was train wrecked. It would be difficult to do worse (and I'm not asking them to try!)
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According to the article I just read on the "reassignments," praise was lavished on all the players who left or were reassigned. This one, in particular, caught my eye:
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So far the only thing most of this proves is if you want to get away with criminal activity you need to be in the ATF or the WH..
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I was disappointed in NPR's coverage of the events today. NPR portrayed the problem with Fast and Furious as field agents that lacked proper supervision loosing track of some guns when the problem was that the field agents were told to let the guns go despite the field agents' objections. NPR also mentioned that the ATF lacked regulations it needed to effectively combat gun smuggling on the border when a big part of the problem is the DoJ refusing to prosecute straw buyers. It really sounded like NPR was reading a DoJ/ATF press release.
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This is why I want a government job.
With my job in the private sector - if I'm responsible for some collosal screwup that gets someone killed - I at least would get fired. |
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