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From what I can see the Chicago Democratic Machine is trying to trade a pretty oppressive AWB for a very watered down carry bill.
If I'm following the story right, the democrats (yes democrats since Emanual, Culllerton, Munoz and Acevedo are democrats) showed their hand in taking two swings at trying to get an AWB passed earlier this month. Good luck to the people of Illinois - last state to have carry. |
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A bill passing with a 3/5ths majority doesn't magically become immune to a veto. The Governor can still veto the bill, which would then require the legislature to vote to override the veto. |
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Brandon Phelps, a DEMOCRAT, is the author of this bill!!!
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The point being that the bill was two votes shy of the 3/5 requirement for passage and to override the Governor's veto would require no more than the 3/5 vote again by the same legislators who would have passed it originally. Those members were already voting against the wishes of Madigan, Cullerton, and Rham, who wield more real power than the Governor. So your statement that "Overriding a veto is traditionally MUCH harder than getting the bill passed in the first place, even one needing a super majority." is not accurate. Quinn's veto is almost irrelevant in this issue as it currently stands.
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"The point being" that where you said I was wrong, I was absolutely right. There was no vote to override a veto, so we have no idea how it would have come out. |
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As Shane intimated, this isn't a blue vs. red issue. A friend from Illinois has pointed out stark differences between Chicago Democrats and Democrats from Illinois as a whole. There's a whole state outside of Chicago.
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As a MO resident in the St. Louis area, I know a lot of Illinois folks... It always seems like Chicago thinks it is a state, and the rest of Illinois is a third-class attachment to the Great State of Chicago... |
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This thread at Illinois Carry has a request that members not discuss on the open forum, any concerns with the current bill.
It seems that the anti-gunners have been viewing these threads on open gun boards to find out the strategy and related issues to the current bill. I've talked it over with the staff and I feel we should follow their lead. Hence, this thread will be closed, but stickied, until such a time that the bill has been voted up or down in the Illinois legislature. Todd Vandermyde (the NRA lobbyist) has put a lot of time and work into this bill. However, there are still things to be added or deleted from the bill over the next couple of weeks. Hence discussing strategy or direction in a public forum might very well be a very bad idea. I know that this seems to be counter-productive to open discussion, but I feel this is a time for us to be discreet and respect the wishes of the Illinois carry community. Solidarity is called for. Those of you that are also members of IllinoisCarry can let our brothers and sisters know that we at TFL, stand with them. |
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