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December 29, 2012, 08:50 PM | #251 |
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Tax bills have to start in the House, but the house has passed and sent to the Senate many bills that never go anywhere. All the Senate nees to do is take one, amend it to remove all the house language and add in the Senate language. This bill does have to be then passed by the house as the language has been changed.
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December 30, 2012, 04:40 AM | #252 |
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Wait so the Senate can arbitrarily change the language of a house bill and pass it as a house bill?
Am I missing something because I'm starting to feel like the crazy person in the room again
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December 30, 2012, 04:32 PM | #254 |
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What bothers me about this whole process is our governments lack of understanding about this whole issue. That AR-15 didn't kill anyone. A man who should have never had access to any firearm and was denied while attempting to purchase one did.
For example, if he had made a fertilizer bomb like Timothy McVeigh did; would we outlaw fertilizer? If he set fire to the school using Gasoline and Matches; would we outlaw those? To quote the late Jeff Cooper “The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.” |
December 30, 2012, 04:46 PM | #255 |
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Again, it is not about solving the problem of violent, mass murder. It is about using a crisis to enact a change long wanted by the left. Disarmament of the law abiding populace to avoid resistance to widespread change in society, and loss of rights, and freedoms. It is about control.
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Refledting back on some prior psots, part of the bill is a tax on existing weapons, obviously intended as a confiscatory measure. But what about the total future bans? Don't they, not being tax billsm run afoul of the second amendment, as suggested by the AG in the hearings on the NFA?
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December 31, 2012, 11:16 AM | #257 |
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Feinstein Says Bushmaster can use Slide thing to make it full auto.
I watched Sen. Feinstein on Chris Wallace's show yesterday where she appeared alongside Sen. Lindsey Graham. She made a remark which I hadn't heard her make before and I wondered what she was referring to. She said that he Bushmaster .223 could use a slide thing to make it fully automatic. I believe that any semi auto gun which can be "easily" modified to become full auto is already covered and regulated by federal law, as well as some state laws.
Did anyone else hear her say that? If so, do you know what she was referring to? If she's correct and was not just tossing out misleading info, wouldn't any AR15 style rifle be able to implement the same sort of device and render them ALL as subject to regulation under already existing federal laws? I'm looking for some insight from some of the people who are more "in the know" than I happen to be. Lindsey Graham said nothing about it. No questions, no rebuttal, nothing. He let it stand "as was said". I'm not a big fan of his, but he did at least have the guts to admit that he owns and AR-15.
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I didn't see the show, but I suspect that she was referring to something like the SlideFire stock. Here's the AR version: http://www.slidefire.com/products/ar-15
I haven't investigated this closely, but my understanding is that, once installed, it slides back and forth, allowing for very rapid, although ultimately still semiautomatic, fire.
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Here is the Feinstein statement taken directly from the transcript from Chris Wallace's show on Sunday.
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Mods, should we start a new thread? This could get lost in the minutiae of the fact the statement came from Senator Feinstein. I'm looking for specific information about what she is referring to and why she'd bring something like this up if it was totally off base.
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She doesn't know techy stuff and is probably told you can get a full auto upper at Home Depot.
Anyway - we don't want a multitude of threads. Here's an interesting take: http://www.politico.com/story/2012/1...592_Page3.html It's New Year's resolutions on how each party can get it's act together. I don't care about the other suggestions but one is for the Democrats NOT to offend gun owners as after the uproar dies down, gun rights are still supported in this country by quite a few. It falls in line with the predictions that clever pols won't commit political suicide by going for a Full Monty Feinstein. We will see. I know this is just a touch political but I offer it informationally.
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This is another of those "barrel shroud" moments.
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Maybe she is talking about bump firing?
In answer to question number three all politicians are pretty much the same in that regard.
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December 31, 2012, 11:36 AM | #263 |
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Has to be the slide-fire stock that she is referring to. It doesn't actually make it full auto, it still fires once per trigger pull, but it will simulate full auto. It's a range toy, and there is no evidence that one has ever been used in a crime, and why would you? It only works if you hold it just right and you can't hit anything with it, so...
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Yeah, in this case, it really does look like it's that "shoulder thingy that goes
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One should support those gadgets as good gun control. A friend of mine put one of those thingees on his AR and it jammed solid as the Rock of Gilbraltar. Another buddy - an engineer - had to heat in a furnance and pound it on an anvil to get it apart (metaphorically). It was a mess.
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However, from the political angle, those things will never be mentioned to the public at large. The truth is what the media determines it to be, unfortunately. That's why the witness oath in a court of law states: I promise to tell the truth, the WHOLE truth, and NOTHING BUT the truth, so help me God. Those are suttle but important words in that oath.
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As far as I can tell from reading around and watch a little of the news it is only the politicians who are supporting this... I have yet to see any news that was antigun or even said the old 94-04 ban did anything.
The only thing I have been seeing has been quotes from politicians that have been shot down. As of right now the support for any gun law changes seems rather low.
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Only 2 states have any tracking methods currently in place, 'tracking' consists of just copying down the buyer's name/address/quantity/etc, and each county within those states is very spotty with compliance. There were also supposed to be micro taggants mixed into ammonium nitrate, by the manufacturers, to allow tracing of any used in a bombing. To date, no manufacturer is including taggants in their fertilizer (or even their explosives, if they make both). Honestly.... It's a lot like "gun control" laws. Lots of talk. A little 'action'. ...and then nothing gets enforced; due to lack of funding, lack of education, or the fact that it's a stupid, ineffective approach to the matter.
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