Is there a thread that lists which BP revolver was made by which company?

Delmar · September 30, 2009, 07:53 AM

I know an 1858 was a Remington
Walker was a Colt
What about 1851?
1849?
1860?

madcratebuilder · September 30, 2009, 09:23 AM

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I know an 1858 was a Remington
Walker was a Colt
What about 1851?
1849?
1860?

Both first year of manufacture and year of patent can be used in identifying some cap and ball revolvers.

Just a short list.

1847 Walker Colt
1848 Colt Baby Dragoon
1849 Colt Pocket Model
1851 Colt Navy
1860 Colt Army
1861 Colt Navy
1862 Colt Pocket Police
1862 Colt Pocket Navy

Some Paterson's well be referred to with a year, like 1842 Paterson No5 Holster Model.

williamfeldmann · September 30, 2009, 09:27 AM

Colt made the 1849 pocket and wells fargo, they are the same gun, the former has a loading lever, the latter doesn't

Colt made the 1851 as an all steel gun. The brass reproductions that you see mimic those that were made by various companies in the south. They were all .36 caliber. There are rumors that .44 was tested by Colt or these other southern manufacturers but no real proof and not many were made if they were. Not knockin the .44s, they shoot great

The 1860 was made by Colt. Great gun.

The 1861 was made by Colt. Basically the same gun as the 1851 with the sleek barrel assembly design of the 1860.

1862 pocket police and pocket navy were made by Colt. They used the frame from the 1849 pocket and switched to five shots at .36 Pietta makes a nonrealistic repro of this gun. Their model is a short barrel 1861. Uberti makes real reproductions of this gun. They make the guns that Taylors and Cimmaron sell also.

Doc Hoy · September 30, 2009, 10:24 AM

1863 Pocket Remington

williamfeldmann · September 30, 2009, 05:41 PM

True nuff, forgot that one. There is also a Remington police model. I am not sure if it has a seperate year of patent. I do know that the police model that Pietta makes is not correct. WAY to big. The real one is the size of the gun used by Clint Eastwood in Pale Rider (the little gun he only uses to shoot the bad guy in the head at the end). I wish someone made a correct reproduction of that. I think it would be fun. But we can't have all we want.

Hawg · September 30, 2009, 05:48 PM

Remington pocket and police are the same thing. Uberti makes accurate sized clones or did. I think they still do.

Doc Hoy · September 30, 2009, 06:04 PM

Hawg,

Agree. Mine is from ASM marketed by CVA and of course discontinued.
I have heard (rather seen) it refered to as police but I thought that was a present day accomodation to the marketplace.

I am in no way disputing what you said, only that I learned something from you.

Doc Hoy · September 30, 2009, 06:07 PM

William,

Again from memory, I thought that Eastwood's secondary battery was a pair of 1849s.

I am pretty sure that the vast majority of the bad guys in Pale Rider were shooting 1860s. Anyone remember?

robhof · September 30, 2009, 06:50 PM

Pietta also makes the Remington Pocket in 31 cal to spec's of the original.

Doc Hoy · September 30, 2009, 07:12 PM

Forgot

Hawg · September 30, 2009, 07:21 PM

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Again from memory, I thought that Eastwood's secondary battery was a pair of 1849s.

Josie Wales carried an 1849 in a shoulder holster, Preacher carried a pocket Remington.

Delmar · September 30, 2009, 07:58 PM

I don't ever remember seeing someone load a BP revolver in a movie, Have you guys seen that?

Doc Hoy · October 1, 2009, 08:47 AM

Eastwood swapping cylinders is as close as I have seen. Anybody else?

Doc Hoy · October 1, 2009, 08:48 AM

There is the scene in "Gettysburg" in which Col Chamberlain loads his revolver.

williamfeldmann · October 1, 2009, 01:40 PM

The gun that Clint uses at the very end of the Pale Rider Movie has a trigger guard.

I have never seen a Rem police/pocket that had the trigger guard, they all have those spur triggers. Does anyone make those?

Doc Hoy · October 1, 2009, 02:49 PM

Not familiar enough with Pale Rider to remember. I do kind of remember him fooling with a small revolver inside the Carry Snodgrass cabin late in the flick.

A second look would settle it I am sure but alas, I don't have the movie.

Wobble · October 1, 2009, 08:28 PM

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I don't ever remember seeing someone load a BP revolver in a movie, Have you guys seen that?

In every movie I've ever seen with BP-class pistols, they were never fired or had been modified to fire blank (or non-blank) cartridges. I don't recall a single movie (and I watch closely) in which anyone loads a BP pistol -- including Civil War movies (don't recall the Chamberlain instance). And, of course, many are fired more than six times without reloading.

Wobble · October 1, 2009, 08:40 PM

As for BP pistols, don't forget the Confederate-made Colt replicas made during the Civil War, such as the Leech & Rigdon version of the 1851 Colt Navy. There were a number of others, of which a few modern replicas (of replicas) are currently produced by Uberti and others.

Also, Ruger makes an "Old Army" modern BP pistol in .45 caliber which is similar to but not intended to be a replica of the 1860 Colt Army.

Hawg · October 1, 2009, 11:14 PM

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Also, Ruger makes an "Old Army" modern BP pistol in .45 caliber which is similar to but not intended to be a replica of the 1860 Colt Army.

I don't see where you get that. The Ruger is a closed frame and the Colt is an open top. The Ruger isn't based on anything but looks more like a Remington if you hold it very far away and squint

SigP6Carry · October 1, 2009, 11:21 PM

I actually see the Ruger Old Army as a sort of... downgraded SAA, actually. If you look at the lines and build of it, it's more reminiscent of the Blackhawk than the Remington.

rwiliff · October 2, 2009, 12:33 AM

Crazy Cora reloaded a dragoon in Quigley.

Warmest Regards,
Robert

madcratebuilder · October 2, 2009, 06:42 AM

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The Ruger isn't based on anything but looks more like a Remington if you hold it very far away and squint

Thanks hawg, made my morning

Bill Ruger married a Colt grip frame to a Remington main frame, and the loading lever from a S&B. Added the smoothness of coil springs and called it good.

Doc Hoy · October 2, 2009, 07:48 AM

Welcome to the group.

I just happen to have Quigley. I might try watching it this week end. Thanks for the tip.

To Wobble,

Actually in Gettysburg, the entire load sequence is not shown (of course). Probably better described as, "Jeff Daniels fooling with the pistol to give you the impression he was loading it."

These things are hard to spot. I had to watch it four times to catch the topless dancers in Pickett's charge.

To Thomme,

"I actually see the Ruger Old Army as a sort of... downgraded SAA..." As an exclusively black powdershooter, I see it as an UPGRADE.

SigP6Carry · October 2, 2009, 11:40 AM

When I say "downgraded" I don't mean that it's inferior to SAA style shooters, but in a term of timeline and development. The statement assumed that cartridge shooting is superior to BP shooting, and I apologize for the broad implications of my statement. I merely mean that the Ruger Old Army, to me, at least looks like a Colt SAA if they made them in the 1860's.

September 30, 2009, 07:53 AM	#1
Delmar Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2009 Location: Norhthern Indiana Posts: 307	Is there a thread that lists which BP revolver was made by which company? I know an 1858 was a Remington Walker was a Colt What about 1851? 1849? 1860?

September 30, 2009, 10:24 AM	#4
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Plus 1863 Pocket Remington __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

September 30, 2009, 06:04 PM	#7
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Remington Pocket Hawg, Agree. Mine is from ASM marketed by CVA and of course discontinued. I have heard (rather seen) it refered to as police but I thought that was a present day accomodation to the marketplace. I am in no way disputing what you said, only that I learned something from you. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

September 30, 2009, 06:07 PM	#8
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Eastwood William, Again from memory, I thought that Eastwood's secondary battery was a pair of 1849s. I am pretty sure that the vast majority of the bad guys in Pale Rider were shooting 1860s. Anyone remember? __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

September 30, 2009, 06:50 PM	#9
robhof Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2007 Posts: 712	robhof Pietta also makes the Remington Pocket in 31 cal to spec's of the original.

September 30, 2009, 09:27 AM	#3
williamfeldmann Member Join Date: December 23, 2008 Posts: 60	Colt made the 1849 pocket and wells fargo, they are the same gun, the former has a loading lever, the latter doesn't Colt made the 1851 as an all steel gun. The brass reproductions that you see mimic those that were made by various companies in the south. They were all .36 caliber. There are rumors that .44 was tested by Colt or these other southern manufacturers but no real proof and not many were made if they were. Not knockin the .44s, they shoot great The 1860 was made by Colt. Great gun. The 1861 was made by Colt. Basically the same gun as the 1851 with the sleek barrel assembly design of the 1860. 1862 pocket police and pocket navy were made by Colt. They used the frame from the 1849 pocket and switched to five shots at .36 Pietta makes a nonrealistic repro of this gun. Their model is a short barrel 1861. Uberti makes real reproductions of this gun. They make the guns that Taylors and Cimmaron sell also.

September 30, 2009, 05:41 PM	#5
williamfeldmann Member Join Date: December 23, 2008 Posts: 60	True nuff, forgot that one. There is also a Remington police model. I am not sure if it has a seperate year of patent. I do know that the police model that Pietta makes is not correct. WAY to big. The real one is the size of the gun used by Clint Eastwood in Pale Rider (the little gun he only uses to shoot the bad guy in the head at the end). I wish someone made a correct reproduction of that. I think it would be fun. But we can't have all we want.

September 30, 2009, 05:48 PM	#6
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	Remington pocket and police are the same thing. Uberti makes accurate sized clones or did. I think they still do.

September 30, 2009, 07:12 PM	#10
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Oh yeah. You're right Forgot __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

September 30, 2009, 07:58 PM	#12
Delmar Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2009 Location: Norhthern Indiana Posts: 307	I don't ever remember seeing someone load a BP revolver in a movie, Have you guys seen that?

October 1, 2009, 08:47 AM	#13
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Delmar Eastwood swapping cylinders is as close as I have seen. Anybody else? __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

October 1, 2009, 08:48 AM	#14
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Oooow There is the scene in "Gettysburg" in which Col Chamberlain loads his revolver. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

October 1, 2009, 02:49 PM	#16
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Hmmmm Not familiar enough with Pale Rider to remember. I do kind of remember him fooling with a small revolver inside the Carry Snodgrass cabin late in the flick. A second look would settle it I am sure but alas, I don't have the movie. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

October 1, 2009, 08:40 PM	#18
Wobble Senior Member Join Date: April 20, 2009 Location: Georgia USA Posts: 163	As for BP pistols, don't forget the Confederate-made Colt replicas made during the Civil War, such as the Leech & Rigdon version of the 1851 Colt Navy. There were a number of others, of which a few modern replicas (of replicas) are currently produced by Uberti and others. Also, Ruger makes an "Old Army" modern BP pistol in .45 caliber which is similar to but not intended to be a replica of the 1860 Colt Army.

October 1, 2009, 11:21 PM	#20
SigP6Carry Senior Member Join Date: August 27, 2009 Posts: 1,086	I actually see the Ruger Old Army as a sort of... downgraded SAA, actually. If you look at the lines and build of it, it's more reminiscent of the Blackhawk than the Remington. __________________ -liberal gun nut = exception to the rule- -1.24274238 miles, because Russians don't need scopes- -Gun control was the Klan's favorite law, how can you advocate a set of laws designed to allow the denigration of a people?-

October 2, 2009, 12:33 AM	#21
rwiliff Junior Member Join Date: October 2, 2009 Posts: 3	Crazy Cora reloaded a dragoon in Quigley. Warmest Regards, Robert

October 2, 2009, 07:48 AM	#23
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	To Rwiliff Welcome to the group. I just happen to have Quigley. I might try watching it this week end. Thanks for the tip. To Wobble, Actually in Gettysburg, the entire load sequence is not shown (of course). Probably better described as, "Jeff Daniels fooling with the pistol to give you the impression he was loading it." These things are hard to spot. I had to watch it four times to catch the topless dancers in Pickett's charge. To Thomme, "I actually see the Ruger Old Army as a sort of... downgraded SAA..." As an exclusively black powdershooter, I see it as an UPGRADE. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

October 2, 2009, 11:40 AM	#24
SigP6Carry Senior Member Join Date: August 27, 2009 Posts: 1,086	When I say "downgraded" I don't mean that it's inferior to SAA style shooters, but in a term of timeline and development. The statement assumed that cartridge shooting is superior to BP shooting, and I apologize for the broad implications of my statement. I merely mean that the Ruger Old Army, to me, at least looks like a Colt SAA if they made them in the 1860's. __________________ -liberal gun nut = exception to the rule- -1.24274238 miles, because Russians don't need scopes- -Gun control was the Klan's favorite law, how can you advocate a set of laws designed to allow the denigration of a people?-