Garage sale purchase of black powder

johnh80233 · June 15, 2016, 07:07 PM

Hi, My name is John and I'm new to this site. I live in the Denver, CO area. I never got into black powder shooting. I do have nephews in Idaho that do it all of the time.

I purchased 20, one pound cans of Goex Superfine FFFg Black Rifle Powder at a yard sale. They are in metal 16oz cans . There is what looks like a date stamped on the bottom of the cans 03-07-82 JUO4C.
I also bought a Pacific DL-0366 12GA reloader with about 70 pounds of shot and two boxes of Double A, WAA12-12GA wads. The price was right.

I bought the powder with my nephews in mind. Can any one tell me the best way to ship black powder to Idaho? Thanks in advance for any help. John

Pahoo · June 15, 2016, 07:42 PM

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Goex Superfine FFFg

Not entirely sure what you have but there is more information on the cans that you can share with us. For now, I am going to default to this as "Black-Powder". This has a classification of Class-A explosive as opposed to a black powder substitute that has the classification of a combustible mixture. Right off I can tell you that the USPS will not ship for you. Likely that UPS might but you may have to jump through hoops. I know it's not going to be easy but can be done. Please keep us updated .......

By the way, if indeed it's Black-Powder, It's still and hotter/better than ever. ....

Hang on cause you are going to get a lot of replies, on this post. .....

Be Safe !!!

Hawg · June 15, 2016, 07:55 PM

If it's real black and it sounds like it you will have to pay a hazmat fee to ship it.

AKexpat · June 15, 2016, 07:56 PM

Have one of your nephews drive down to Denver, buy you a nice dinner, and then transport it back to Idaho in their vehicle through the gun-friendly states in between. 20# of powder? That should keep them shooting for a long time. I think the trade-off should be about right. If you like your nephews, just give it to them. They will remember you forever. Besides, the road trip through scenic territory should more than offset the fuel money, and if you could put your nephew up for the night at your place, it would be a cheap and welcome visit for both of you. I just had a visit from a cousin who is 13 years younger than me who I had not seen since 1970, and it was a very good visit. I think he was a bit aghast at how old this greybeard looked!

Jim

johnh80233 · June 15, 2016, 08:19 PM

Superfine Black Rifle Powder

FITASC · June 15, 2016, 08:37 PM

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Have one of your nephews drive down to Denver, buy you a nice dinner, and then transport it back to Idaho in their vehicle through the gun-friendly states in between. 20# of powder? That should keep them shooting for a long time.

Since it is an explosive (as opposed to a flammable solid) that quantity might need something else than being tossed in the trunk for transport across state lines.

44 Dave · June 15, 2016, 09:42 PM

In the '60s I had a 16 pound drum delivered to my door by REA Express, cost me less than $1/lb.
Now days $25/lb and another $25 haz. shipping. Think a ride in a Honda Civic size vehicle would be worth it.

drobs · June 16, 2016, 08:59 AM

You might give this company a call and see what they recommend. They ship it all the time.

http://www.buffaloarms.com/Content.a...Black%20Powder

From their website:
Please note that Black Powder is shipped FedEx ground Adult Signature only, as a hazmat shipment, and cannot be shipped to a P.O Box. You also must use this powder for sporting or cultural purposes and not for resale. On first time powder or ammunition orders we will need to have your birth date and statement that there are not local, state or federal regulations prohibiting you from buying or possessing black powder.

Note I just finished off a metal can Goex FFFg given to me by a friend.
Code on the bottom of the can is:
C3-73
89AP18C

I believe 1989 is the date is was manufactured. Worked just fine.

Label on the front is Goex, Inc. FFFg Superfine Black Rifle Powder.

Boogershooter · June 16, 2016, 08:59 AM

FItasc, is correct. You can not transport more than 1# of black powhere across state lines. I'm sure there is a way it can be done cheaply and legally if you are willing to take the time to figure it out.

foolzrushn · June 16, 2016, 10:08 AM

Of course shipping companies can transport more than one pound at a time, and get paid for shipping and a separate hazardous material fee as mentioned.

Also, although the can is marked 'rifle powder', fffg grade (particle size) black powder is preferred by many for black powder pistols. I don't know what your cousins shoot, but just so you know.

I really think that you should look at this as an opportunity for yourself as well as your cousins. Cabelas is selling black powder pistols with free shipping until Fathers day, for $200. Get one you like with a steel frame and join the fun. But hurry before the sale ends. Then you could shoot with the cousins.

As drobs noted, you can 'give' it, but not legally 'sell' it. Lucky it was given to you with your purchased shot and wads at the garage sale.

There are also storage requirements for quantities of powder ( I am not familiar with them, and don't know if they vary from state-to-state), so the cousins and you should be aware.

I have only shot the black powder substitutes, which are classed as propellants, not explosives like the powder. Be careful.

One other thing, since you are new here...if you find that you have posted something incorrectly, you can edit your posts if you wish, as long as the edit button appears in the lower right corner of the post....( for 96 hours from when it was originally posted ).

Pahoo · June 16, 2016, 10:30 AM

johnh
I truly appreciate your post and would like to share an experience with you. A few years ago, I bought six powder horns from a widow. I could tell by the weight, that some were still loaded with black powder. After a taste and smell sampling, confirmed that it was black-powder. I brought this to her attention and told her That I would take care of their disposition. Turns out that all the horns were filled. ......

Then she mentioned that there was a keg of powder out in the garage. Sure enough, there was a 15LB. keg of DuPont FFG metal canister sitting on the floor. Started to put it in my trunk and then remembered that the wife and I had a distance to travel and although unlikely, worried what might happen if I got in an accident. Phoned a BuckSkinner buddy and told him that even though she just wanted to get it off her property, come and get it and give her a "Donation" for it. .....

All's well that ends well !!!
Be Safe !!!

Captchee · June 17, 2016, 07:02 AM

the date and number on the bottom of your can is the manufacture date and lot identification of the case that the cans came out of .

BP can be shipped , its shipped all the time . you have to however pay a hazmat fee and you cannot combined shipping IE if you ship caps or primers , that Hazmat is separate from the powder .
When it comes to crossing state lines with the powder . If there is a ban on that then that would be state laws . Oregon has such a law but I have yet to find anyone who really knows how it works past being one of those laws that they can charge you with if they so feel like it .

I would contact Craig Kirkland at bear river powder in Wyoming . He is the Goex distributor for much of Idaho , Wyoming , Montana , Utah.. Good fella to talk to and he can tell you the actual facts about who will ship and what you need to be concerned about if you decide to drive it yourself . Not to mention exactly what the Laws are .
Not to mention if your nephews do a lot of BP shooting in southern or central Idaho , then chances are good they know Craig or have met him a time or two anyway

Bear River Powder
P.O. Box 2853
Evanston, WY 82931
Phone: 307-679-0886
E-Mail: [email protected]

Last I checked with the ATF and ISP here , there are no regulations or required notifications to transport BP here in Idaho or federal requirements for Utah or Wyoming .If you transport commercially then you need plaqurds and such .. But past that

Our local clubs buy anywhere from 400- 900lbs a year to distribute amongst members and we drive to Wyoming to get it
I also know that a couple of the clubs west and south of us also drive to Navada or New Mexico to buy powder in bulk .
The reason we drive is because we often get bulk powder a lot cheaper if we pick it up vs. having it delivered and if a member is going that way , it’s a win , win for us . Most times we just make a club road trip . we all chip in an exstra 1.00 a lb and a group of us take of on a powder run

June 15, 2016, 07:07 PM	#1
johnh80233 Junior Member Join Date: June 14, 2016 Posts: 3	Garage sale purchase of black powder Hi, My name is John and I'm new to this site. I live in the Denver, CO area. I never got into black powder shooting. I do have nephews in Idaho that do it all of the time. I purchased 20, one pound cans of Goex Superfine FFFg Black Rifle Powder at a yard sale. They are in metal 16oz cans . There is what looks like a date stamped on the bottom of the cans 03-07-82 JUO4C. I also bought a Pacific DL-0366 12GA reloader with about 70 pounds of shot and two boxes of Double A, WAA12-12GA wads. The price was right. I bought the powder with my nephews in mind. Can any one tell me the best way to ship black powder to Idaho? Thanks in advance for any help. John Last edited by johnh80233; June 16, 2016 at 01:05 PM.

June 15, 2016, 07:56 PM	#4
AKexpat Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2014 Location: SW WA State Posts: 490	Have one of your nephews drive down to Denver, buy you a nice dinner, and then transport it back to Idaho in their vehicle through the gun-friendly states in between. 20# of powder? That should keep them shooting for a long time. I think the trade-off should be about right. If you like your nephews, just give it to them. They will remember you forever. Besides, the road trip through scenic territory should more than offset the fuel money, and if you could put your nephew up for the night at your place, it would be a cheap and welcome visit for both of you. I just had a visit from a cousin who is 13 years younger than me who I had not seen since 1970, and it was a very good visit. I think he was a bit aghast at how old this greybeard looked! Jim __________________ To be governed – is to be watched, inspected, directed, indoctrinated, numbered, estimated, regulated, commanded, controlled, law-driven, preached at, spied upon, censured, checked, valued, enrolled – by creatures who have neither the right, nor the wisdom, nor the virtue to do so. - Pierre-Joseph Proudhon Last edited by AKexpat; June 15, 2016 at 08:03 PM.

June 16, 2016, 08:59 AM	#8
drobs Senior Member Join Date: July 17, 2015 Location: South Central MO / Africa Posts: 1,111	You might give this company a call and see what they recommend. They ship it all the time. http://www.buffaloarms.com/Content.a...Black%20Powder From their website: Please note that Black Powder is shipped FedEx ground Adult Signature only, as a hazmat shipment, and cannot be shipped to a P.O Box. You also must use this powder for sporting or cultural purposes and not for resale. On first time powder or ammunition orders we will need to have your birth date and statement that there are not local, state or federal regulations prohibiting you from buying or possessing black powder. Note I just finished off a metal can Goex FFFg given to me by a friend. Code on the bottom of the can is: C3-73 89AP18C I believe 1989 is the date is was manufactured. Worked just fine. Label on the front is Goex, Inc. FFFg Superfine Black Rifle Powder. __________________ NRA Life Member

June 16, 2016, 10:08 AM	#10
foolzrushn Senior Member Join Date: April 29, 2015 Location: middle of the Santa Fe Trail Posts: 396	johnh80233 Of course shipping companies can transport more than one pound at a time, and get paid for shipping and a separate hazardous material fee as mentioned. Also, although the can is marked 'rifle powder', fffg grade (particle size) black powder is preferred by many for black powder pistols. I don't know what your cousins shoot, but just so you know. I really think that you should look at this as an opportunity for yourself as well as your cousins. Cabelas is selling black powder pistols with free shipping until Fathers day, for $200. Get one you like with a steel frame and join the fun. But hurry before the sale ends. Then you could shoot with the cousins. As drobs noted, you can 'give' it, but not legally 'sell' it. Lucky it was given to you with your purchased shot and wads at the garage sale. There are also storage requirements for quantities of powder ( I am not familiar with them, and don't know if they vary from state-to-state), so the cousins and you should be aware. I have only shot the black powder substitutes, which are classed as propellants, not explosives like the powder. Be careful. One other thing, since you are new here...if you find that you have posted something incorrectly, you can edit your posts if you wish, as long as the edit button appears in the lower right corner of the post....( for 96 hours from when it was originally posted ). __________________ If you feel that you're pretty important...you should think about your significance to the Universe....and re-evaluate ! certified 'soap welder' Last edited by foolzrushn; June 16, 2016 at 12:13 PM.

June 16, 2016, 10:30 AM	#11
Pahoo Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2006 Location: IOWA Posts: 8,783	Just another Black-Powder story johnh I truly appreciate your post and would like to share an experience with you. A few years ago, I bought six powder horns from a widow. I could tell by the weight, that some were still loaded with black powder. After a taste and smell sampling, confirmed that it was black-powder. I brought this to her attention and told her That I would take care of their disposition. Turns out that all the horns were filled. ...... Then she mentioned that there was a keg of powder out in the garage. Sure enough, there was a 15LB. keg of DuPont FFG metal canister sitting on the floor. Started to put it in my trunk and then remembered that the wife and I had a distance to travel and although unlikely, worried what might happen if I got in an accident. Phoned a BuckSkinner buddy and told him that even though she just wanted to get it off her property, come and get it and give her a "Donation" for it. ..... All's well that ends well !!! Be Safe !!! __________________ 'Fundamental truths' are easy to recognize because they are verified daily through simple observation and thus, require no testing.

June 15, 2016, 07:55 PM	#3
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,190	If it's real black and it sounds like it you will have to pay a hazmat fee to ship it.

June 15, 2016, 08:19 PM	#5
johnh80233 Junior Member Join Date: June 14, 2016 Posts: 3	Superfine Black Rifle Powder

June 15, 2016, 09:42 PM	#7
44 Dave Senior Member Join Date: February 24, 2013 Posts: 584	In the '60s I had a 16 pound drum delivered to my door by REA Express, cost me less than $1/lb. Now days $25/lb and another $25 haz. shipping. Think a ride in a Honda Civic size vehicle would be worth it.

June 16, 2016, 08:59 AM	#9
Boogershooter Senior Member Join Date: December 9, 2014 Posts: 645	FItasc, is correct. You can not transport more than 1# of black powhere across state lines. I'm sure there is a way it can be done cheaply and legally if you are willing to take the time to figure it out.

June 17, 2016, 07:02 AM	#12
Captchee Senior Member Join Date: April 2, 2013 Posts: 439	the date and number on the bottom of your can is the manufacture date and lot identification of the case that the cans came out of . BP can be shipped , its shipped all the time . you have to however pay a hazmat fee and you cannot combined shipping IE if you ship caps or primers , that Hazmat is separate from the powder . When it comes to crossing state lines with the powder . If there is a ban on that then that would be state laws . Oregon has such a law but I have yet to find anyone who really knows how it works past being one of those laws that they can charge you with if they so feel like it . I would contact Craig Kirkland at bear river powder in Wyoming . He is the Goex distributor for much of Idaho , Wyoming , Montana , Utah.. Good fella to talk to and he can tell you the actual facts about who will ship and what you need to be concerned about if you decide to drive it yourself . Not to mention exactly what the Laws are . Not to mention if your nephews do a lot of BP shooting in southern or central Idaho , then chances are good they know Craig or have met him a time or two anyway Bear River Powder P.O. Box 2853 Evanston, WY 82931 Phone: 307-679-0886 E-Mail: [email protected] Last I checked with the ATF and ISP here , there are no regulations or required notifications to transport BP here in Idaho or federal requirements for Utah or Wyoming .If you transport commercially then you need plaqurds and such .. But past that Our local clubs buy anywhere from 400- 900lbs a year to distribute amongst members and we drive to Wyoming to get it I also know that a couple of the clubs west and south of us also drive to Navada or New Mexico to buy powder in bulk . The reason we drive is because we often get bulk powder a lot cheaper if we pick it up vs. having it delivered and if a member is going that way , it’s a win , win for us . Most times we just make a club road trip . we all chip in an exstra 1.00 a lb and a group of us take of on a powder run