|
Forum Rules | Firearms Safety | Firearms Photos | Links | Library | Lost Password | Email Changes |
Register | FAQ | Calendar | Today's Posts | Search |
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
November 12, 2012, 07:21 PM | #26 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: October 8, 2010
Location: Colorado
Posts: 283
|
Quote:
|
|
November 12, 2012, 07:35 PM | #27 |
Senior Member
Join Date: December 13, 2005
Posts: 4,457
|
For the 5.56 round, a 20 inch barrel seems more appropriate, with a good compromise of velocity, moderate noise and sufficient barrel stiffness for length. However, the market seems very focused on 16 inch barrels with many options and lots of competition.
__________________
http://www.npboards.com/index.php |
November 12, 2012, 09:14 PM | #28 |
Junior member
Join Date: November 12, 2000
Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado
Posts: 9,494
|
I've always been partial to the 20" AR's. I like the sight radius and the length is more of a blessing than a detractor. I'm not out kicking in meth lab doors with a team so don't need a shorty. I've shot a 16" bbl AR before and didn't like the increased muzzle blast over the longer tube.
Besides, the 223 is sort of a pipsqueak round anyway, and can use all the velocity it can get, ergo longer barrel. |
November 13, 2012, 02:00 AM | #29 |
Senior Member
Join Date: January 17, 2010
Location: Brooklyn, NYC
Posts: 610
|
I'm weird when it comes to aesthetics and how some guns are "supposed to be"
To me, a carbine is supposed to have a 14.5" barrel. If I can't have that then I see no reason to half-ass it. May as well just get a full-length 20" rifle. So I guess there will be no carbines or commandos in my future until they either repeal the NFA or I feel like paying the SBR tax. |
November 13, 2012, 04:16 AM | #30 |
Senior Member
Join Date: August 31, 1999
Location: Allentown,PA
Posts: 1,969
|
After using the M16 in the service and owning a few carbines, I have to say I really like the 18" barrel with rifle length gas system and adjustable stock. For me it works best.
|
November 13, 2012, 04:53 AM | #31 |
Senior Member
Join Date: December 21, 2010
Location: Central FL
Posts: 1,360
|
For general purposes not involving long range shooting, the M4 Carbine models are just more compact and lightweight overall -- depending on your accesories of course. But if you keep everything to a minimum, a carbine will serve most uses and will be as reliable if set up correctly.
The other compromise as others have said is a mid-length with a 16 or 18-inch barrel. My 300Blackout middy with 12-inch rail was a good setup without the longer rifle profile and heavier weight. I'd love to build an AR15 rifle length in the future.. |
November 13, 2012, 02:58 PM | #32 |
Member
Join Date: June 5, 2010
Location: Michigan
Posts: 48
|
I think that i have the same solutions everyone else does. I have a midleanth 16" for Home Defense, and a longer (18" MK12 Style) for target work and to get a boost in MV. I can for some situations really see the need for short barrels on the AR15, I know that the shorter you go the lower the MV goes, but sometimes the handyness of the system outweights the defects. If it were not for the horrible muzzle blast i would almost consider getting an SBR for home defense, but the combined effects of muzzle blast, paper work and fees just turns me away.
Now having fired both 16", and 14.5" weapons indoors I have to say that its loud and lots of flash but I did not notice the blast myself. (my concern in the future, would be hearing damage to members of my family from a defensive shooting.) As for sight radius with mid, full, and carbine it does not matter to me. Since I mostly use some sort of optic I use the sight for backup. Even at times when shooting the three I did not notice that I shot any better or worse with oen vs. the other. I know that sometimes the theoretical differance in accuracy from something is midagated by our shooting skill. (or in my case sometimes lack there of!) It would be intresting to have some really good shooters do a study with the differant leanths of sights and then get some stats on what the exact effect is. We all know it does have an effect but how much really, or is it more like the differance between .15 & .20 MOA? I can't shoot that well to notice. just a thought. |
November 13, 2012, 03:43 PM | #33 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 13, 2011
Location: Carolina
Posts: 3,415
|
Quote:
__________________
Mrgunsngear Youtube Channel |
|
November 13, 2012, 04:13 PM | #34 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 6, 2012
Location: Southeast Texas
Posts: 1,670
|
Quote:
Spending that kind of money and only cutting back 1.5" just seems silly to me... |
|
November 13, 2012, 04:32 PM | #35 |
Senior Member
Join Date: January 17, 2010
Location: Brooklyn, NYC
Posts: 610
|
You know that the SBR stamp applies tot he lower right? So you're not really "wasting" it for just 1.5". You can put multiple uppers on the same SBR lower. 7s, 10s, 14s whatever you want.
So i would get one registered lower and 2 uppers. 14.5" and 11.5". Maybe a tiny 7" upper as well. |
November 13, 2012, 04:45 PM | #36 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 6, 2012
Location: Southeast Texas
Posts: 1,670
|
Yea I did....until I forgot while I was thinking about which upper I would pair it with
...my bad I do have a question though, are you able to get SBRs in NY? |
November 13, 2012, 06:02 PM | #37 |
Senior Member
Join Date: January 17, 2010
Location: Brooklyn, NYC
Posts: 610
|
Not in NYC. I'm pretty sure not in the rest of the state either. AWB and all.
|
November 13, 2012, 06:35 PM | #38 |
Senior Member
Join Date: April 10, 2012
Location: San Diego CA
Posts: 6,876
|
The federal AWB expired during the Bush admin . At this time it would be a state by state ban not federal. You would need to check your state laws to see if the SBR is baned or not in your state .( "Don't quote me on that" )
__________________
If Jesus had a gun , he'd probably still be alive ! I almost always write my posts regardless of content in a jovial manor and intent . If that's not how you took it , please try again . |
November 13, 2012, 06:43 PM | #39 |
Senior Member
Join Date: January 17, 2010
Location: Brooklyn, NYC
Posts: 610
|
Still very much alive and well here. And quite a bit worse than the federal AWB to boot.
The federal law allowed you to have 2 evil features. Here you're not allowed ANY evil features and pretty much all of the fun guns are banned by name regardless of how badly you neuter them. 9 more months and I'll be in Texas. *twiddling thumbs* |
November 13, 2012, 06:50 PM | #40 |
Senior Member
Join Date: April 10, 2012
Location: San Diego CA
Posts: 6,876
|
Me to-ish . Im in C.A. and we have some tuff gun laws but not like N.Y. . In some ways I sure am glad we have the bullet button . It allows us to have all the cool stuff . I don't think we can have an SBR
__________________
If Jesus had a gun , he'd probably still be alive ! I almost always write my posts regardless of content in a jovial manor and intent . If that's not how you took it , please try again . Last edited by Metal god; November 13, 2012 at 07:26 PM. |
November 13, 2012, 07:24 PM | #41 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 6, 2012
Location: Southeast Texas
Posts: 1,670
|
Quote:
...heck, in 9 more months you might not even reside in the United States |
|
November 13, 2012, 09:16 PM | #42 |
Junior member
Join Date: May 16, 2008
Posts: 9,995
|
I have trouble thinking of any AR as a rifle. They all seem like carbines to me. ASSAULT CARBINES!!!
|
November 14, 2012, 10:31 PM | #43 |
Senior Member
Join Date: March 14, 2010
Location: Border of Idaho & Montana
Posts: 2,584
|
I like shorter barrels. They feel more handy to me. I do like long barrels for activities like shooting Ground rats just because the added speed helps (some what) with bullet drop.
__________________
Shot placement is everything! I would rather take a round of 50BMG to the foot than a 22short to the base of the skull. all 26 of my guns are 45/70 govt, 357 mag, 22 or 12 ga... I believe in keeping it simple. Wish my wife did as well... |
November 14, 2012, 11:33 PM | #44 |
Senior Member
Join Date: November 24, 2010
Location: Spring, TX
Posts: 1,552
|
Rifle length
|
November 15, 2012, 06:09 AM | #45 |
Senior Member
Join Date: January 10, 2012
Posts: 3,881
|
I have a 16" and was thinking about buying a 20" rifle length gun, but for ranges up to 300 yds others have told me their will be no increase in accuracy. With my 16" carbine I get groups at 100 yds that can be covered with a dime and groups at 300 yds that can be covered with a fifty cent piece using my hand loads, a bipod and nikon 3-9x40 scope.
So right now I am sitting on the fence as to if I should buy a 20" rifle or not. |
November 15, 2012, 07:18 AM | #46 |
Senior Member
Join Date: April 10, 2012
Location: San Diego CA
Posts: 6,876
|
rebs
You get groups that a dime can cover at 100yds (1/4 MOA)? and you needed others to tell you that you would not get better accuracy with a 20" barrel . Your not going to get much better accuracy with any other rifle on the planet little lone barrel . Thats some nice shooting
__________________
If Jesus had a gun , he'd probably still be alive ! I almost always write my posts regardless of content in a jovial manor and intent . If that's not how you took it , please try again . |
November 15, 2012, 09:03 AM | #47 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 6, 2012
Location: Southeast Texas
Posts: 1,670
|
Rebs..... If you're getting groups that size.... It just don't get better than that.... At least making then better isn't as easy as buying a 20" rifle.
I say stick with what you've got. Sent from my HTC One X |
November 15, 2012, 02:52 PM | #48 |
Senior Member
Join Date: December 2, 2007
Posts: 1,100
|
I like both and have both. Carbine length for HD, a 20" midweight barrel for varmint hunting, and a standard A2 HB upper with an M4 6 position stock.
|
|
|